When do Revelations seals open

[Heb 13:8]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Preconceptions die very hard, if ever. I know this.   In the photo, the crown is above her head, exactly where it should be.

What crown?? All I see are the twelve stars in the body of Virgo. Leo, the Lion actually symbolizes Jesus Christ as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, in which the twelve stars are placed. Did the woman give birth to Jupiter in 2. B.C.???? Now who's stretching. Iam, believing in 9/23/17 is just that, it's believing in what God did in the heavens. Many don't believe.

[Heb 13:8]

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Your theory of conception and birth of the church is imagination. There is no verse stating the "birth" of the church.

Well, that's where belief comes in. Rev 12:5 is the birth of the church. To deny a birth is to deny a conception, and that's false. The three stages of the body of Christ are truth, but tradition teaches otherwise. It's a lot of years of conditioning I will admit. Iam, do you believe that when a believer comes to faith the conception of the seed takes place?

sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed
Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception)
2. Individual conception in the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9)
3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5

Edited October 7, 2018 by Heb 13:8

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well, that's where belief comes in. Rev 12:5 is the birth of the church. To deny a birth is to deny a conception, and that's false. The three stages of the body of Christ are truth, but tradition teaches otherwise. It's a lot of years of conditioning I will admit. Iam, do you believe that when a believer comes to faith the conception of the seed takes place?

sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed
Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

1. Corporate conception of the church - Acts 2:1-4/Matt 1:20 (Example of Holy Spirit conception)
2. Individual conception in the believer - John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 (Seed Gal 3:19, Gal 3:29, 1Pe 1:23, 1Jo 3:9)
3. Corporate birth of the church - 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Rev 12:5

I will just stick with scriptural words, if possible. The body of Christ on earth began in the upper room when Jesus breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit."  If you insist on a birth, that was it. If you insist on conception, the church was conceived in the mind of God before the earth was created. On the other hand, Jesus planted seeds of the Word of God into their hearts.  When Jesus told them to receive the Holy Spirit, they were all ready. The church was born.  In Acts 2, they only received power to witness: the anointing. Of course when Peter preached His sermon, thousands more came in.  I don't buy your "corporate" birth. 

[iamlamad]

16 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

What crown?? All I see are the twelve stars in the body of Virgo. Leo, the Lion actually symbolizes Jesus Christ as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, in which the twelve stars are placed. Did the woman give birth to Jupiter in 2. B.C.???? Now who's stretching. Iam, believing in 9/23/17 is just that, it's believing in what God did in the heavens. Many don't believe.

Search google for the stars that make up her crown. they all have names or numbers. No, the stars that make up her crown are NOT a part of Leo. Who said anything about Jupiter? I only said that in 2 BC Virgo fit what was written in Revelation 12. No planets are mentioned in Revelation. Therefore, don't add to the book. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

20 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Iam, listen to what you're saying. You're saying that Rev 12:1-2 and Rev 12:5 occurred 2000 years ago, but Rev 12:3-4 has not happened yet. I thought you said the dragon is Herod, now you say the dragon takes place in the last half of the week?? It sounds like your confusing yourself buddy.

No, chapter 12 is not a midpoint chapter. The books of Revelation are not all chronological, they are layered. Rev chapter 12 is describing the entirety of the 70th week which hasn't happened yet. God bless.

If the dragon was seen today, perhaps he would still be seen with 7 heads. They represent the devil's history and future working with kingdoms to destroy Israel. It is a VISION. It is not reality. Those 5 verses are to represent the devil and his attempt to kill Jesus as a child.  So God chose to make him and the Beast look almost alike. So what? It does not change God's intent in the first 5 verses. The ENTIRE CHAPTER is about the Dragon. Don't make it about the church.

Yes, it Is a midpoint chapter, and who told you it is not Chronological? They lied to you! It IS Chronological, and chapter 12 is a second or two after the abomination as PROVED by verse 6.

[Gibbus]

(Fresh Start)

(Note: Matthew's Genealogy of 42, is Fake, a snare God uses .............. now ................ if we go ahead and say God has no respect for the "Saints/Prophets/Church" in their walk of faith for the gospel (we are then a LIAR!)........................ then and only then .....................would Matthew's Genealogy of 42 be legally binding ....................... but not only is the 42 of Matthew FAKE, but God denounces the idea of opening beyond the 4th SEAL, and God never opened the SEALS that is a prophecy) (Gog and Magog about the Dead Church is also a Prophecy ................... Galactic Alignments, Planetary Alignments, Solar Alignment, those do not take into account the Dead Church, Gog and Magog God has in view)

(God takes any action beyond, Daniel's Weeks, for the Addendum of Revelation, "1260/42" then God is indicating he is making payment for sin in some capacity, and he does not "Cleanse the Temple" anymore, that was only once between David and Solomon ........................ so not only is the Temple in Jerusalem a "Question Mark", but billions of lives with no value for God, they are also a "Question Mark" (certain genetic lines as tribes removed from the book of life of revelation)

 

Back to Topic (God addresses the SEALS Opening?  Taking a Peak at the FAKE Genealogy is a Good Start!)

MATTHEW 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] *fourteen* generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] *fourteen* generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] *fourteen* generations.

MATTHEW 1:18  Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his *mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together*, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

 

On on the Real Genealogy (God visits the "70 Weeks" of Daniel cyclically, which is roughly a little more than 70 Years, in those intervals of 14 Generations ........... there also appears to be a period of rebuke, something God has not performed as of this moment for the Temple's Destruction in Jerusalem or perhaps more, meaning extermination of millions/billions perhaps)

Cain was the 14th Generation and "70x7" in his day (however that was calculated, the SEALS came into view in  that day)

LUKE 3:36Which was [the son] of Cainan, which was [the son] of Arphaxad, which was [the son] of Sem, which was [the son] of Noe, which was [the son] of Lamech,

LUKE 3:37 Which was [the son] of Mathusala, which was [the son] of Enoch, which was [the son] of Jared, which was [the son] of Maleleel, which was [the son] of Cainan,

LUKE 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.

 

Skipping Along (this indicates 14 Generations and a Discernment, like the New Testament that began with "mary espoused to joseph")

LUKE 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

LUKE 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli, (Halley's Comet, Issac Newton Prophecy to 2060 A.D.)

LUKE 3:24 Which was [the son] of Matthat, which was [the son] of Levi, which was [the son] of Melchi, which was [the son] of Janna, which was [the son] of Joseph,

LUKE 3:25 Which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Amos, which was [the son] of Naum, which was [the son] of Esli, which was [the son] of Nagge, (Jesus Said "Elijah/Elias" on the Cross, indicating this count to 14 was incomplete, at the day of Crucifixion, that was our clue!)

LUKE 3:26  Which was [the son] of Maath (See Note Below for This One, which Began the 14 Count, years ago), which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Semei, which was [the son] of Joseph, which was [the son] of Juda,

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Note* (God is counting the "Prophets/Saints" according to his "Will", to establish the count to 70 and the divisions of 14, the count is not linear, it does not necessarily go from the most recent, each 14 Division can reference a similar point of origin, they are not linear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) In Number 22, when the "Prophet Rides the Donkey" this was called "Maath", God illustrated this shortly before the Hebrews crossed the Jordon River, and this began the count to 14 Generations, which Jesus Christ, was included in, into the "Temple Dispute of Gog and Magog" that happens near the end of Daniel's 70 Weeks, before God, kills all Lives and finishes this judgment program.

Luke 3:22, illustrates a "Discernment", or, Warning sent to the nations, very similar to the one that paralleled the Birth of Jesus, and when that happened, all ethnic people were euthanized in Jerusalem, perhaps all jews too ................ anyway ....................... the "Star of Bethlehem" is equated to "Halley's Comet", because this "HELI" is the Warning for the Body of Jesus and the Gentile Reign, before God Kills Seven Billion lives over the Temple Dispute in Jerusalem (must be killed and destroyed, perhaps with the all human live in jerusalem)

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(Ethinc suicides, global terrorisms, lives don't matter, immigrant crisis ................. the majority of this is the sin of trying to use Moses as payment for your sin, that only means, God is cutting off spiritually the people that have no value to least value, as they are not clean spiritually, and they are also unclean and you can witness that when god cuts them off, that is what you see...................god hasn't presented you with my corpse to conclude you death sentence, so this issue of euthanasia of Jerusalem and the Temple Mound, has not really taken root, God's Sign for this issue could be anything, it also could be nothing .................... I believe, as long there are faithful, God will remain unanswered until you die, I mean until billions die, since the pleasure they get from hurting people is their natural disposition ................... Was Flight 370's God answer? Maybe, doesn't seem likely, there are other concurrences we can connect to this issue, God illustrates this in the most likelyhood by changing a natural event, like making an object disappear in space, a comet perhaps, that along may be good enough, and everything is resolved, until you die)

(you die globally in 2 1/2 years just about more or less to 2021 A.D.) (I believe 9/23/2017 was good, but remember, Daniel's 70 Week Divisions are not a declaration of SEAL Openings, until the "Dead Church, Gog and Magog is addressed with Euthanasia", The SEAL issue is just a moot/invalid point)

EDIT

(Many people believed Pope John Paul II was the Antichrist, because he modified the Prophecy of Fatima, so euthanasia would take place, so we wouldn't know what God intended to do, and he said very clearly what would be the sign shortly before his coming, if it is Halley's Comet, then that will become our sign ................... but I believe the child he violated/Moses ................... learned of the truth in someways as that church was cut off spiritually in their final act of cursing god before their death, death on 5/21/2021 A.D.)

Edited October 8, 2018 by Gibbus

[Heb 13:8]

53 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I will just stick with scriptural words, if possible. The body of Christ on earth began in the upper room when Jesus breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit."  If you insist on a birth, that was it. If you insist on conception, the church was conceived in the mind of God before the earth was created. On the other hand, Jesus planted seeds of the Word of God into their hearts.  When Jesus told them to receive the Holy Spirit, they were all ready. The church was born.  In Acts 2, they only received power to witness: the anointing. Of course when Peter preached His sermon, thousands more came in.  I don't buy your "corporate" birth. 

Yes, and the upper room is where the conception of the church began. The upper room was not the birth, it was the conception. And you wonder where the Greek gets the word "sperma"? Every time a person gets saved they get placed into the body of Christ. His body has been growing ever since Acts 2:1-4 up until 2018. The birth of the church is simply a result of the gestation period for the last 2000 years.

[Heb 13:8]

58 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Search google for the stars that make up her crown. they all have names or numbers. No, the stars that make up her crown are NOT a part of Leo. Why said anything about Jupiter? I only said that in 2 BC Virgo fit what was written in Revelation 12. No planets are mentioned in Revelation. Therefore, don't add to the book. 

Iam, Jupiter played the celestial role of the child being born in Rev 12:5. Without Jupiter there is no birth, and Rev 12:1-5 is not fulfilled. Remember, this sign takes place in the heavens. God bless.

[Heb 13:8]

58 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

If the dragon was seen today, perhaps he would still be seen with 7 heads. They represent the devil's history and future working with kingdoms to destroy Israel. It is a VISION. It is not reality. Those 5 verses are to represent the devil and his attempt to kill Jesus as a child.  So God chose to make him and the Beast look almost alike. So what? It does not change God's intent in the first 5 verses. The ENTIRE CHAPTER is about the Dragon. Don't make it about the church.

Yes, it Is a midpoint chapter, and who told you it is not Chronological? They lied to you! It IS Chronological, and chapter 12 is a second or two after the abomination as PROVED by verse 6.

No Iam, the vision that John saw 2000 yr ago became a reality on 9/23/17. This is the date that the sign came to pass. No, it's not a mid point chapter. Not all the chapters and verses in Revelation are chronological, they are layered. God bless. ?

[iamlamad]

9 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No Iam, the vision that John saw 2000 yr ago became a reality on 9/23/17. This is the date that the sign came to pass. No, it's not a mid point chapter. Not all the chapters and verses in Revelation are chronological, they are layered. God bless. ?

OK, show us some proof of this layering. 

AS far as is possible with 5 things happening at the same time, a few parentheses, and some prophecy (speaking something in one chapter that will take place in a future chapter) Revelation is chronological. 

In other words, everything in one chapter will certainly take place AFTER things in previous chapters and before things in a later chapter.  Events in chapter 12, outside of the parenthesis in the first five verses, will certainly come AFTER the events of chapters 1-11, and before the events of chapters 13-22. 

Question: WHEN did Jesus tell those in Judea to flee?

What is  it about Virgo that causes you to say it was fulfilled in 2017? What is written in Rev. 12 has happened countless times since Jesus' birth. The four blood moons that happened a few years ago: same thing: they have happened several times. However, significant things happened near each time it happened in the past. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by iamlamad