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Woman of Revelation 12 clearly revealed

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Revelation Chapter 12 is actually describing TWO EVENTS separated by a very long time interval (+/- 2000 years).

IT DESCRIBES TWO EFFORTS OF MURDER BY THE DRAGON in separated times :

The first effort was to try to kill the CHILD, not the woman and the dragon STILL HAS ITS PLACE IN HEAVEN.

Rev 12:4 ..... the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to DEVOUR HER CHILD as soon  as it was born.

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The woman in pain to deliver speaks about the Jews under the persecution of the Roman Empire from whom Jesus was born.

And the child speaks about the infant Jesus whom Herod tried to kill (which was actually the dragon's idea).

MANY PEOPLE SAY THIS SPEAKS ABOUT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH, NO WAY THE CHURCH IS RAPTURED WHILE THE DRAGON STILL HAS ITS PLACE IN HEAVEN.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His Throne.

We can see that the child was taken to His Throne, who was this child taken to His Throne ? Jesus was seen at the right hand of God by Steven

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God, so He was Jesus on the Throne.

While the raptured church (the great multitude) is found IN FRONT OF the Throne, not on the Throne:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, STOOD BEFORE the throne, and BEFORE THE LAMB.

Look ! the word MANCHILD was written two times by John (verse 5 and 13), Does the church of God consist of MAN only ? No, this is not about the church.

CONCLUSION : THE CHILD WAS JESUS WHO WAS BORN DURING ROMAN PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS, THE DRAGON TRIED TO KILL HIM AS SOON AS HE WAS BORN BUT FAILED AND HE WAS RAISED FROM DEATH AND TAKEN TO HEAVEN TO GOD'S THRONE 2000 YEARS AGO.

 

THE SECOND ATTEMPT IS TO KILL THE WOMAN AND WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE DRAGON HAS BEEN CAST OUT IN THE END OF TIMES.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,....(THE DRAGON CAST OUT IN THE END OF TIMES)

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

THIS SECOND ATTEMPT TO KILL THE WOMAN WILL HAPPEN AT THE AOD WHEN ANTICHRIST ENTER THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND DECLARE HIMSELF AS GOD, AS HAS BEEN WARNED BY JESUS THAT THE JEWS MUST MAKE AN EXODUS OUT OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE THE DEVIL HATE THE JEWS SINCE THE ANCIENT TIMES AND WANTED TO KILL THEM ALL.

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

ALL THE JEWS WILL GATHER AND CONFUSED AND SHOCKED, THEY WILL WATCH WITH FEAR AS THAT "MIGHTY MESSIAH WHO LEAD THE WORLD" DECLARES HIMSELF AS GOD, YES THEY WILL GATHER AND DECIDE TO RUN AS THEY REMEMBER THE WARNING OF PROPHET DANIEL.

WILL GOD LET THE ISRAELITES DIE ? NO GOD WILL GIVE THEM TWO WINGS OF GREAT EAGLE LIKE HE DID WHEN GOD TOOK THEM OUT OF EGYPT :

Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle

ANTICHRIST WILL SEND HIS ARMY TO CHASE AND KILL THEM LIKE PHARAOH SENT HIS ARMY TO CAPTURE THE JEWS AT THE RED SEA, BUT THE EARTH WILL HELP THE JEWS :

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

WHO ARE THE REMNANT OF HER SEED :

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD = TORAH/JUDAISM

TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST : THE NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE

So the REMNANTS are the Jews who believed in Judaism but have repented and accept Jesus Christ in other parts of the world who didnt join the EXODUS.

This could also refer the 144000 sealed Jews. The 144000 are not spiritual Jews or christians because spiritual Jews/christians dont belong to any tribe.
 

WHAT IS THE 1260 DAYS IN THE WILDERNESS SPEAKS ABOUT ?

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

HISTORY SHOWS THAT EVER SINCE THE RCC RECEIVED THE JUSTINIAN DECREE THEY HAVE RULED EUROPE for +/- 1260 YEARS LIKE KINGS AND PERSECUTE THE PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO CONVERT TO CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THE JUSTINIAN DECREE WAS IMPLEMENTED ON YEAR 538 AD AND THE RCC REIGN WITH ABSOLUTE POWER UNTIL 1798 WHEN NAPOLEON SENT GENERAL BERTHIER WITH HIS ARMY TO DEFEAT AND ARREST POPE, THUS ENDING THE 1260 YEARS OF ABSOLUTE DICTATORSHIP. MANY JEWS WHO REFUSED TO CONVERT HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED, THEIR PROPERTY AND WEALTH CONFISCATED BY THE CHURCH.

This is the  JUSTINIAN DECREE :
TITLE 1.

CONCERNING THE MOST EXALTED TRINITY AND THE
CATHOLIC FAITH AND PROVIDING THAT NO ONE
SHALL DARE TO PUBLICLY OPPOSE THEM.

       1. The Emperors Gratian, Valentinian, and Theodosius to the people of the City of Constantinople.

  We desire that all peoples subject to Our benign Empire shall live under the same religion that the Divine Peter, the Apostle, gave to the Romans, and which the said religion declares was introduced by himself, and which it is well known that the Pontiff Damascus, and Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic sanctity, embraced; that is to say, in accordance with the rules of apostolic discipline and the evangelical doctrine, we should believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit constitute a single Deity, endowed with equal majesty, and united in the Holy Trinity.

   (1) We order all those who follow this law to assume the name of Catholic Christians, and considering others as DEMENTED and INSANE, We order that they shall bear the infamy of HERESY; and when the Divine vengeance which they merit has been appeased, they shall afterwards be punished in accordance with Our resentment, which we have acquired from the judgment of Heaven............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II

Apostle John has prophesied the long period of 1260 days of persecution of the Jews and the church, as has been honestly admitted by Pope John Paul II in the above link.

 

 

Edited by R. Hartono

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(No, all Wrong! ................ but, I have something sincere to say about the gospel's law)

(Preface in Parenthesis*)

REVELATION 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

REVELATION 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

The "Manchild" is born in Adultery, this is why the pregnancy is at enmity with God (Daniel's Weeks of Years) ..................... "Jesus Christ" was not born in Adultery, there was no war in heaven when Jesus was born, the Angels instead came to pray before the Pregnancy of Mother Mary.

The "Manchild" is always associated with Adultery, the Legal Reason is "Daniel's Weeks" is a different position, then "Gentile Reign", here is a good example:

1. II Samuel 24:13 = "70 Weeks of Daniel to 3 Days of Darkness"

2. II Kings 2:20-25 = "1260/42 Gentile Years of Adultery/Manchild"

(End of Preface = No Where in the Gospel's Law is Jesus Christ Associated with "Adultery")

 

Daniel's Weeks Versus Gentile Reign .................. (don't think this is a copy/paste, I know we've said many thing already)

(Jesus did not fight against God's Angels, there was no enmity ............... "Gog and Magog" is unfulfilled, and Revelation is Unfulfilled, (gentile prophecies of Isaiah) ............... they are substitutions/additions, God does not ordain ................. many people fall victim to saying "Jesus is the Manchild, and Revelation was fulfilled at the Birth of Jesus, and they are very easy to debunk, those positions have no value ................. so what has value with God? See Below)

 

1. Daniel Simplified = 70 Years and 1335 Days

2. Gentile Simplified = "1260 then 636 (36 or so Months) or 42 Years"

(Ends at the Ends of Daniel's Weeks = No Value, Not Contested = "Gog and Magog" Unfulfilled)

 

Language of Substitution

1. Daniel's Vision = Ezekiel 1's Cherub ("Gog and Magog" = Unfulfilled, Same Language)

2. Revelation's Vision = Army of the Beast Mark 1Chronicle27 ("Gog and Magog" = Fulfilled, Same Language)

 

Explanation, See Below (there is always Legal Evidences, so God is not a Liar!)

Daniel:

1. 1947 to 9/23/2017 = 70 Years (Daniel 9:2)

2. 9/23/2017 for 1335 Days = 5/21/2021 (Haggai 2:16-18)

(Wow Signal! to Solstice Precessional Alignment 1980 + 42 Years to 5/21/2021 A.D.)

(1260/42 is Satisfied, it does not need to become an "Explicit Clause of the Law")

 

Revelation (this time we won't lump the figures together to complicate things)

1. Blood Red Moons 9/27/2015 to Flight 370 Anniversay in 3/2019 = About "1260 Days" = 2 Corinthians 11:24-25

2. "27 Months from 3/2019 to 5/2021 for Army of the Beast Mark 1Chronicle27" = "Jesus Answer for Adultery, Matthew 22:27-28"

 

("Daniel's Weeks" is One Answer to Complete the Gospel's Law .................... "Gentile Reign" is Another Answer to Complete the Gospel's Law ..................... You cannot mix and match because the material is not designed that way, if you want to get to the root of what is being taught .................. whatever we've said is true, because God has not acted to shows us rebuke, beyond, and most recently "Flight 370", which based on thats position with other collective information, provides us with a complete understanding, thus far!)

(There is one thing you can count on with God if you are Confused!  God so far has only acted around the "Solstices/Equinoxes" to declare these divisions, Beginning of Daniel's 70 Years, and End of 70 Years ............ then you have the ................... the "Gentile Reign Rebuke for "Gog and Magog", depending on how that has played out, we can already say the, "Middle of the Week of Daniel or 1335" Began on the September Solstice of 9/23/2017 Completing the Pattern, and God may also address the "Gentile Reign Rebuke" on the December Solstice or March Equinox, because that is the figure God turncoats or Acts on, that is disputed with the "Army of the Beast Mark, as we come to the end of time!)

 

North Korean War? (Nuclear Bomb to Jerusalem?)

1. Temple in Jerusalem is Sacrifice for "Gentile Reign"

2. "A Portion of Asia" is Sacrifice for "Gentile Reign"

(this is in parenthesis)

1. Ark of the Covenant, never went to Assyria/Babylon .............. because the Second Temple was never destroyed .................. (Jesus said this clearly, that God would only touch this argument at the "Three Days of Darkness" when humanity is already dead, or dead immediately)

2. God never brought his "Church" (Prophets/Written Law) .................. to "Asia"....................... but in the book of revelation ...................... when God associates his angels to "assyria/babylon", then God places his church in Asia in the opening of John the Angel's Account, indicating this is a sacrifice that can satisfy the law for the "Gentile Reign"

 

(Right now I can say with no Controversy, All Gentile Prophecies have no Value, because they extend the timeframe of Daniel's Week, that is true and valid with God because what qualifies the "Gog and Magog" prophecy in the terms of the gospel's law is unfulfilled .................... I know for a fact that you may want more from God, but unless you do what God wants .......................... remember this ............................ God is also managing the "Gospel's Tables", the spiritual environment's behavior, that is not apparent to man .......................... for that reason, God raises a prophet, to speak on his behalf about the judgment, shortly before it comes to pass)

(Right now, I don't control God on this issue,  but .......................... just weeks after I posted a picture onboard flight 370 and said it would crash or something, that happened ....................... and just days after I told these people to shoot me with a sniper rifle and another one would fall, and it did ................................. but right now, God has a good likelyhood of reacting to confirm his view of the "Gog and Magog" Prophecy ...................... and 9/23/2017 + 450 Days to 12/21/2018 is the Gentile Answer of Isaiah 17:6 ........................ if flight 370 is recovered or identified around 3/2019 that is another answer from God, both conclusion sets are just, NOTHING, in tandem conclusions that expire with Daniel's Weeks unless the qualifiers for the "Gog and Magog Prophecy are satisfied and completed)

 

(North Korea shoot a nuclear missle that remained in a high orbit above the earth, and it is recorded that they did launch a satellite to space ...................... the usa is concerned with a lateral launch of a misscle, they are not expecting one to drop straight down ...................... that is the falling man moses volume 2, which may infact be new york in the usa, everything will be resolved very soon)

Edited by Gibbus

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On 10/11/2018 at 4:08 AM, Gibbus said:

The "Manchild" is born in Adultery,

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His Throne.

How could the manchild be taken to God if he was born in adultery ?

 

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11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His Throne.

How could the manchild be taken to God if he was born in adultery ?

 

(The Church, after Jesus was Born, wanted to change his name to "Emmanuel" .................. because they wanted to bring the "Jesus" forth (that Jesus came by the Holy Ghost, not by the Church) ......................... the "Emmanuel" is a controversy in which the Church claims God performs the work to cleanse the temple in the New Testament, "Gog and Magog", but God does not perform that work ........................... the church followed through and delivered Jesus to God by Crucifixion as payment for their sin, but God has already disputed that!)

(The "Emmanuel/Manchild" is born in "Adultery", because the Church is Unclean and requires payment for its sin (Gentile Reign of Isaiah) .................... then is the "Emmanuel/Manchild" reconciled to God after the Church is cleansed of its Sin) ("Sign of Divorce"/Earth's Moon Activated/9th or 10th Planet Revealed)

(.................."Gog and Magog" the church brings the "Emmanuel/Manchild" forth by destroying the Assyrian/Babylonian temple built in Jerusalem by destroying it, by destroying jerusalem/isreal, its people and its land!) (Daniel's Weeks is a Complete Prophecy ................. Gentile Reign is an Addendum to that, in which God is not required to act it, humanity dies, then it dies very soon ..................... the only unresolved issue is weather God does something to point to this issue, more than, what has already been done)

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I've had Rom 11 on my mind a bit, so bare with me while I slowly muddle through this. If we take 1-4 literally, then we now have a format for Rom 11:25-32 and 1-10 below as example.

1. Born again Gentiles and born again Jews = the body of Christ, the child in Rev 12
2. Non believing Jews = the woman in Rev 12
3. Spiritual Israel, #1 above = the body of Christ, the child in Rev 12
4. Earthly Israel, #2 above = the woman in Rev 12

I do see spiritual Israel being separated from earthly Israel upon rapture in Rev 12:5, but God will protect earthly Israel until the end, Rev 12:6, 14.

1. Isa 27:6, 12 - Spiritual Israel
2. Jer 30:3 - Earthly Israel
3. Ez 33-39 - Earthly Israel
4. Dan 9:7-11, 20 - Earthly Israel
5. Hos 1-12 - Earthly Israel
6. Joel 2:27, Joel 3:16 - Spiritual Israel
7. Joel 3:1-2 - Earthly Israel
8. Amos 1-4, Amos 5:25 - Earthly Israel
9. Amos 9:14-15 - Spiritual Israel
10. Micah 5:3 (SI), Nah 2:2 (SI), Zech 11:14 (EI), Mal 1:1 (EI)

Rom 11:25/Luke 21:24/Isa 27:6, 12, Amos 9:14-15 example - full # of Gentiles end of 70th week (Spiritual Israel)
Rom 11:25 - Speaking of Earthly Israel
Rom 11:26 - Speaking of Spiritual Israel (Earthly Israel now becomes one with Spiritual Israel)
Rom 11:28 - The enemies here are Earthly Israel for now
Rom 11:28 / Rom 11:5-7 / Rom 11:1 - The elect here are believing Jews (via Paul's Jewish name was Saul)
Rom 11:30-32 - The struggle between Jews and Gentiles

Rom 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.

All Israel Will Be Saved

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;

he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.” 

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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