Diaste Posted March 30, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,628 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2020 Maybe this has been said before but hardly any understanding of the nature of end time prophecy is gained apart from the realization that there is the nation and land of Israel and there is the spiritual seed of Abraham. There is no "church". No "church age". We are either in Abraham as we believe in Jesus or we are not. That's makes all who believe Daniel's people; including the precious and elite western Christian ideology. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 30, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2020 There is so much waffle and words upon words. It cannot be according to man's wisdom. Too much noise and of course there is the Lord High God Who knows what He is doing and it will NOT happen the way the prophecy pundits say... or the ones with many words - words upon words of vanity. So keep adding words and ideas and systematic noises. Do we really think God is going to listen?? Too many words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 30, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.55 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2Th. 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. This tells us clearly that the 'antichrist' is revealed before the Lord takes us away. Right? 2Th. 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The one that is restraining is taken out of the way before the 'lawless one' is revealed. How then can the 'Church' be the one restraining? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.55 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Maybe I am missing something here. If so, perhaps someone could explain it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,767 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 317 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 I wonder what the pre tribbers are saying now with Covid-19 on their doorstep. Why hasn't the Lord whisked them away before this tribulation? And as the Lord says, pestilences among other disasters are just the beginning of sorrows (the beginning of tribulations). Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, luigi said: I wonder what the pre tribbers are saying now with Covid-19 on their doorstep. Why hasn't the Lord whisked them away before this tribulation? And as the Lord says, pestilences among other disasters are just the beginning of sorrows (the beginning of tribulations). Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. The church has always had tribulation, for one simple reason, Satan hates God and hates all humans. But tribulation is not God's wrath poured out on people who hate God and refuse to repent. However, that being said, Revelation shows us clearly that God's wrath is poured out throught the ENTIRE 70th week. God's wrath and Satan's wrath cannot be separated in TIME because they happen together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 1:57 PM, Alive said: 2Th. 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. This tells us clearly that the 'antichrist' is revealed before the Lord takes us away. Right? 2Th. 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The one that is restraining is taken out of the way before the 'lawless one' is revealed. How then can the 'Church' be the one restraining? Verses 6 through 8 make it very clear that the man of sin cannot possibly be revealed until and unless the restraining power is removed. Right? Yet, in verse 3b the man of sin IS revealed. Logically then, in verse 3a the power restraining had to be "taken out of the way." Or, as some say, "gone from the midst." There is only one word in verse 3a that could possibly be used as (has a possible meaning of) something being "taken out of the way. Apostasia is a compound Greek word. Did you ever read what Strong's said about "apo?" The question is, CAN this word mean something else? It is a compound word - "apo" and "stasia." Here is what STrong's says about "apo: of separation of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,... of separation of a part from the whole; where of a whole some part is taken of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed of a state of separation, that is of distance physical, of distance of place" At the rapture, will some part of the entire population be taken? You know the answer is YES. Will those taken be separated by DISTANCE? Again the answer is YES. The other part of the compound word 'stasia" is where we get "stationary" or "not moving" from. Putting these two words together then can certainly mean a part of a whole group suddenly moved from where they were to a new location, and it happen so fast, the rest of the whole group seems stationary - not moving. The theme of Paul's passage is the gathering or rapture, so it just makes sense that something "taken out of the way" would be the church. This is confirmed when Paul wrote, "and now you know what is restraining" in verse six. HOW Paul? HOW do we know? Why would Paul write that? It is because he just TOLD us who was restraining, but did it in a cloaked way, so a casual reader would miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 12:12 PM, Diaste said: Maybe this has been said before but hardly any understanding of the nature of end time prophecy is gained apart from the realization that there is the nation and land of Israel and there is the spiritual seed of Abraham. There is no "church". No "church age". We are either in Abraham as we believe in Jesus or we are not. That's makes all who believe Daniel's people; including the precious and elite western Christian ideology. Sorry, but Paul is very clear that there are "Greeks" (Gentiles) and Jews (physical descendants of Abraham.) Born again people are SPIRITUAL children of Abraham, whether Jew or Gentile. But there is once again a NATION of Israel (as you said) , just as God said there would be. And in that nation are living physical descendants of Abraham. Don't confuse spirit with physical. God made promises to PHYSICAL Israel that remain to be fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, iamlamad said: God's wrath and Satan's wrath cannot be separated in TIME because they happen together. ??? Explain this please. The Wrath of Satan is dependent on Satan being cast down to earth (Rev. 12:10), the wrath of God is first mentioned in revelation 14:10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted April 2, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,628 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, iamlamad said: Sorry, but Paul is very clear that there are "Greeks" (Gentiles) and Jews (physical descendants of Abraham.) Born again people are SPIRITUAL children of Abraham, whether Jew or Gentile. But there is once again a NATION of Israel (as you said) , just as God said there would be. And in that nation are living physical descendants of Abraham. Don't confuse spirit with physical. God made promises to PHYSICAL Israel that remain to be fulfilled. Misses the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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