New Zealand's sweeping gun reforms

[Zemke]

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40 minutes ago, Cletus said:

facts and reality is not fear mongering.    reality can be a little scary with the level of evil found on earth.   we shouldnt let our emotions control us. 

I agree, fearmongering is saying we will all die in 12 years if we don't impose socialism and every man woman and child sacrifice all for a green new earth. 

[ayin jade]

In my state, guns are everywhere. You can even walk down the street openly carrying a gun without breaking any laws. You can carry concealed too. In the news this morning, in the 5th largest metro area in the us, a woman was killed after a traffic accident when she and some guy were arguing following the accident and he killed her. With a knife. Not a gun. No amount of gun laws or even a total ban on guns will stop murder. 

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14 hours ago, Dove said:

Fearmongering with propaganda posters isn't a good way to validate your point.

Facts are facts and truth is truth, history is repeating itself and the majority cannot see it. Our government has placed itself above God and made self defence illegal.

God's Word  says;

Self defence is God ordained, or these Scriptures would not be in His Word.

Luke 11:21-22;

V, 21 "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are
in peace.

V, 22 But when a stronger than he comes upon him and overcomes him, he takes from
him all his armour in which he trusted, and divides his spoils."

And how can the master of the house prevent his house from being broken into except that he use deadly force?

Luke 12:39, "But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the
thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken
into."

Which leads us back to Exodus 22:2, "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies,
there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."

Gen 9:6, Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man.

Pro. 25:26, A righteous man falling down before the wicked is a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.

A man once said to me;  "No where does it say in Scripture that the apostles carried swords."

Here was my answer;

Luke 22:36, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

And in Luke 22:38, "And they said, Lord, behold here are two swords. And He said unto them, It is enough."

God does not like His brethren to fall before the wicked;

Proverbs 25:26, "A righteous man falling down before the wicked is a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."

In other words, Defend your selves Spiritually as well as physically.

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Germany's weapons laws were among the world's strictest, and sufficient for safety. And yet:

Police arrest ten 'jihadists' in Germany who were 'plotting to use a car and guns to kill as many people as possible and had already hired a vehicle' as knives are seized in raid

• The suspects were detained in the Frankfurt area in police raids earlier on Friday
• They ranged in age from 20 to 42 but no details of their nationality were given
• They are said to have contacted weapons dealers and hired a vehicle already.

Strict firearm laws do not stop terrorists. One can have a million different laws but criminals do not obey any of them.

 

[ayin jade]

Today a man broke into the home of a grandmother (home invasion) and demanded money from her. He grabbed her and the commotion got the attention of the grandfather. The criminal was repeatedly told to leave and refused. The grandmother grabbed a gun and told him she was armed and he needed to leave. He advanced on her and she shot him. She had her grandkids in the house at the time too, all young. The grandmother was injured. The criminal did not die but he was stopped from his criminal action. 

Should the grandmother have refused to have a gun and refused to use it, putting herself, her husband, her grandkids at risk?

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43 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Today a man broke into the home of a grandmother (home invasion) and demanded money from her. He grabbed her and the commotion got the attention of the grandfather. The criminal was repeatedly told to leave and refused. The grandmother grabbed a gun and told him she was armed and he needed to leave. He advanced on her and she shot him. She had her grandkids in the house at the time too, all young. The grandmother was injured. The criminal did not die but he was stopped from his criminal action. 

Should the grandmother have refused to have a gun and refused to use it, putting herself, her husband, her grandkids at risk?

NO, good on her, she did well.

Exodus 22:2, "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies,
there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."

[D-Dawn]

People are using cars and cargo trucks to commit mass murder as well. Dangerous ideologies mixed with "not quite there" mentality = not good.

Let me also point out that alcohol is directly related to thousands of deaths each year in the US....preventable deaths. We could easily prevent deaths by restricting access...but people believe they have the "right" to drink.

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Like most laws designed to stop people getting killed criminals do not obey any laws. In Aus. we have a law that no one is allowed to drive a car when over .05 blood alcohol reading, yet many hundreds are caught drink driving. Also drug driving is on the increase, hundreds caught every week here.

[ladypeartree]

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 10:04 PM, PinkBelt said:

Clearly you didn't read the specifics of the case. This psychopath sneaked into a long term care facility and targeted people unable to move or scream. It wasn't like he barged into a crowd "knives blazing".

 

Most knife attacks are non-fatal, another fact you ignore.

tell that to the parents of the over 100 teens that have been murdered in knife attacks in the UK so far THIS YEAR 

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On 3/22/2019 at 11:44 AM, PinkBelt said:

Strict gun laws don't work unless the guns aren't there in the first place, hence why NZ is having a buy back. Australia did the same thing and gun deaths plummeted: http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

I don't know why people are so dedicated to insisting gun control won't work when every single case study proves the opposite.

Firearms were registered in Australia, that's how the government knew where they were and were able to get them. There is no firearms registration in N.Z. and the government there has no idea how many firearms are there or where they are.

And FYI, if there are no firearms at all, why would you need gun control? What frightens anti-gun leftists, is that an increasing number of violent criminals will be shot to death by potential victims, before they can carry-out their violent crimes. Leftists depend upon high rates of violent crime to keep populations frightened and dependent. Thus for leftists, violent criminals are a great and protected asset. Obviously, leftists don’t want to see their numbers reduced.

All human lives are not of equal value. What the liberalization of gun laws does is alter the percentage of violent criminals killed, versus good and decent, armed citizens.
When citizens are armed, we see more dead violent criminals, fewer dead innocent victims, and that fact is horrifying to leftists (who are themselves neither good, nor decent)
In any event, this outcome is not unimportant to potential victims of violent criminals whose lives were saved via precision gunfire.
The only “security” is personal security.