If God exist why do bad things happen?

[Firm Foundation]

26 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It was my understanding of his wrote.... as God is to holy to even look upon sin then it is perfectly clear He has nothing to do with the sin itself. Lie cannot overcome truth for it is dependent upon truth to exist- this is The Creator, The Everlasting Truth, being declared in His creation.... for lie to exist truth must first be! Then to say for the lie to exist and continue God must be using it is border line to the heresy that was propagated by butero that sin came about by God's creation of it!

There is no question that God uses evil to bring about his purposes.  I remember a story in the Bible where God used a lying spirit to entice Ahab to fall in battle.

[Firm Foundation]

37 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It was my understanding of his wrote.... as God is to holy to even look upon sin then it is perfectly clear He has nothing to do with the sin itself. Lie cannot overcome truth for it is dependent upon truth to exist- this is The Creator, The Everlasting Truth, being declared in His creation.... for lie to exist truth must first be! Then to say for the lie to exist and continue God must be using it is border line to the heresy that was propagated by butero that sin came about by God's creation of it!

This creates a new question, what is heresy and who determines what is heresy?  By definition, it only means at odds with what is generally accepted.  What if what is generally accepted is wrong?

OSAS, which I don't agree with, was once at odds with what was generally accepted.

[enoob57]

27 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

There is no question that God uses evil to bring about his purposes.  I remember a story in the Bible where God used a lying spirit to entice Ahab to fall in battle.

God's allowance of evil does in no way implicate God with it... that is the error this is making- for when ever one implicates God with evil in any form denies this passage of Scripture

1 John 1:5

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
KJV
There are many place within Scripture where the conclusion of one passage may violate in our thinking another passage... that is why we must have a proper study method in which to hold all Scripture in grammatical form to other passages... when one cannot resolve the understanding one must wait upon God to aid to increase...

[enoob57]

11 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

This creates a new question, what is heresy and who determines what is heresy?  By definition, it only means at odds with what is generally accepted.  What if what is generally accepted is wrong?

OSAS, which I don't agree with, was once at odds with what was generally accepted.

Heresy is understood as claiming the Bible says a thing in which it does not... trying to replace truth with lie!

[Blood Bought 1953]

15 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

This creates a new question, what is heresy and who determines what is heresy?  By definition, it only means at odds with what is generally accepted.  What if what is generally accepted is wrong?

OSAS, which I don't agree with, was once at odds with what was generally accepted.

 

 

OSAS, which I don't agree with, was once at odds with what was generally accepted.

I think it is still at odds with general acceptance.....still lots of bad teaching out there....

[Blood Bought 1953]

10 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Heresy is understood as claiming the Bible says a thing in which it does not... trying to replace truth with lie!

 

One Bible,yet thousands of differing interpretations .....who has the truth and how do we know it?

[Firm Foundation]

20 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Heresy is understood as claiming the Bible says a thing in which it does not... trying to replace truth with lie!

That is in the eye of the beholder.  By that definition, OSAS is heretic to me and many others.

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

One Bible,yet thousands of differing interpretations .....who has the truth and how do we know it?

It is promised so by God when one is regenerated by The Holy Spirit... it is through study the searching with the whole of the heart occurs

Jer 29:13-14

13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
KJV

2 Tim 2:15

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
KJV

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
The pathway to know and be in relationship with God is Through fellowship in His Word by the power of The Holy Spirit for God says

John 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV

and is strengthened by this truth

Luke 11:11-13

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
KJV
 

[enoob57]

18 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

That is in the eye of the beholder.  By that definition, OSAS is heretic to me and many others.

I think if you think about the ramifications of believing in ones self as part and parcel to the eternal things promised then Jesus work and sealing with The Holy Spirit was totally dependent upon man and what Paul expressed here is in error
2 Timothy 1:12
12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
KJV
Jude 24
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
KJV
I will ask you this question as to answer the dilemma you seem to have:
What is here in the present world and when you were only first born that could save you? 

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Each side has Scripture that convince them that they are correct......so now what do we do?