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8 hours ago, silviawang said:

Every sin including idolatry, Pagan faith, atheism...?

 

8 hours ago, silviawang said:

So Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden........

Are all been forgiven???

Hello Silvia, glad you are with us.   Good to have someone from China with us.

I want to point out that it is only actual (true born again) believers in Christ that are forgiven.   It does not mean everyone on Earth is forgiven.   A person must ask God for forgiveness and believe (have faith) in Christ as their personal Savior.   I'm talking of a sincere asking of forgiveness and sincere belief in Christ.

You mentioned listening to mainly Western pastors.   Please check the sermons of Dr. David Jeremiah on YouTube or his website.   He pastors a church near San Diego, California and is a good pastor and speaker.   He has been a pastor for many, many years.

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8 hours ago, silviawang said:

The forgiveness of GOD is conditional

This is what I found that seems to explain thing well:

Question: "Will the Holy Spirit ever leave a believer?"

Answer:
Simply put, no, the Holy Spirit will never leave a true believer. This is revealed in many different passages in the New Testament. For example, Romans 8:9 tells us, “…if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.” This verse very clearly states that if someone does not have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, then that person is not saved. Therefore, if the Holy Spirit were to leave a believer, that person would have lost the saving relationship with Christ. Yet this is contrary to what the Bible teaches about the eternal security of Christians. Another verse that speaks to the permanence of the Holy Spirit’s indwelling presence in the life of believers is John 14:16. Here Jesus states that the Father will give another Helper “to be with you forever.”

The fact that the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer is also seen in Ephesians 1:13-14 where believers are said to be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit, “who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.” The picture of being sealed with the Spirit is one of ownership and possession. God has promised eternal life to all who believe in Christ, and as a guarantee that He will keep His promise, He has sent the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer until the day of redemption. Similar to making a down payment on a car or a house, God has provided all believers with a down payment on their future relationship with Him by sending the Holy Spirit to indwell them. The fact that all believers are sealed with the Spirit is also seen in 2 Corinthians 1:22 and Ephesians 4:30.

Prior to Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension into heaven, the Holy Spirit had a “come and go” relationship with people. The Holy Spirit indwelt King Saul, but then departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14). Instead, the Spirit came upon David (1 Samuel 16:13). After his adultery with Bathsheba, David feared that the Holy Spirit would be taken from him (Psalm 51:11). The Holy Spirit filled Bezalel to enable him to produce the items needed for the tabernacle (Exodus 31:2-5), but this is not described as a permanent relationship. All of this changed after Jesus’ ascension into heaven. Beginning on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit began permanently indwelling believers (Acts 2). The permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of God’s promise to always be with us and never forsake us.

While the Holy Spirit will never leave a believer, it is possible for our sin to “quench the Holy Spirit” (1 Thessalonians 5:19) or “grieve the Holy Spirit” (Ephesians 4:30). Sin always has consequences in our relationship with God. While our relationship with God is secure in Christ, unconfessed sin in our lives can hinder our fellowship with God and effectively quench the Holy Spirit’s working in our lives. That is why it is so important to confess our sins because God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). So, while the Holy Spirit will never leave us, the benefits and joy of His presence can in fact depart from us.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-leave.html

 

1 Corinthians 11 :23-33

Institution of the Lords super.

 

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

2But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

 

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2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

I never missed that post.....I am fully aware of what Jesus said in His Earthly Ministry To Israel in the Age Of Law .The Jesus that said we must forgive to be forgiven is the same Jesus that said forgiveness of sins NOW, in the Age Of Grace that He made possible by shedding His Blood on the Cross was possible by believing the Gospel Of Paul ( Given To Him personally by Jesus). Believe that Jesus paid for your sins and that He rose from the dead and you are as sinless as Jesus , in the eyes of God.That amazing Grace, that forgives ALL of the sins of wretches  like you  and me is the impetus for forgiving others now.If God Could forgive your wretchedness only because you put your faith in Christ, why can’t YOU forgive the wretch that did you wrong?Many things changed after the Cross.....mysteries, kept hidden for Millenia until God decided the time was right to reveal them, mainly through Paul.Its not that you HAVE to forgive.....it’s that you will WANT to forgive, if you have the Holy Spirit in you.Like so many other things , COMMANDS in the Old Testament written on stone, become NEW DESIRES when God writes His Laws on your heart.If you have failed to live this out in your NEW life, something serious could be wrong ...... God bless.... 

Then perhaps you missed this one, as it was addressed to you personally. The other one was not. 

6 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

My dear brother, if you had spent two long and exhaustive nights of not only snarky remarks, and also racist retorts, as several of us have had to endure, perhaps a different point of understanding might dawn upon you. Let me also remind you, of the three scriptures of forgiveness I've posted, duly apply to yours truly (me) as well. I wouldn't have submitted them otherwise, and take them very seriously. Are we now clear upon this revelation so far? Now you could spend some aimless hours in vain tracing threads, some of which George had to personally delete, due to improper and disastrous use of slang which was slung, so as to see the true light shed upon the situation. I wouldn't attempt at wasting ones time in doing so, however. Still friends? ;) 

And so the question remains. Still friends, right? Or have I lost all apparent hope? :huh:

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Some day, Satan may be accusing me of all kinds of things at the Judgement Seat .He will be saying, “ look at this sin that ol’ BB committed or look at that sin he did repeatedly” God will say , “What  sins? I must have forgotten them or maybe I cast them into the deepest depths of the sea— I don’t know what you are talking about” As the modern -day “ chief of sinners” , I don’t have that much in common with God, but I DO have this ......I know how to forgive.I don’t remember the exact line you used and maybe it was addressed to the Chinese girl— it seemed to question my basic decency and if I believed the Bible at all.I hope it was some kind of misunderstanding .Regardless, as of now, I consider the matter forgotten .... “ I don’t know what you are talking about”. I consider you my Brother and friend.

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On 7/17/2019 at 10:39 PM, silviawang said:

Sometime in future, I will introduce what extreme atheists means. That is the Chinese men!

You guys have no real experience about the atheists.

So you are not qualified to talk about them

But we Chinese, we are the atheists for more than 3000 years!

We have no religion from the very beginning of our civilization

 

I am Chinese and China has had pagan religions for thousands of years. Atheism exists all over the world and certainly is not exclusive to nor invented by China. The Chinese government bans most forms of religion save for government approved bodies. My parents were missionaries in China for many years and we dealt with many "closet" Christians and underground churches.

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"Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary."

I do not agree with purging dissenting views, but I am also secure in what I believe. This isn't my forum however and I must respect the wishes of it's owner.  I believe our conduct it the best witness and how we talk about others speak volumes about us and the character of Christians.

Proverbs 15:1

1 A gentle answer turns away wrath,
    but a harsh word stirs up anger.

I have on many occasions chastised people here for hostile, abusive comments towards muslims because of how it would effect our ability to witness to them. The same goes for athiests, pagans or anyone else. Calling atheists "the enemy" "satan's minions" and so on, or stating they are corrupted and therefore not worth talking to does nothing to endear us or win others to God. There are ways to present the truth in a way that does not attack people, and there are ways to present "the truth" in a way that makes one smirk and puff out the chest. Do the former, chastise the latter. 

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Posted (edited)

Hi Pink Belt,

On 7/22/2019 at 4:09 AM, PinkBelt said:

have on many occasions chastised people here for hostile, abusive comments towards muslims

Chastising someone is one thing. Encouraging someone not to sin is another.
The former implies a hierarchy... and the latter means work. You would work for someone.
 
Please also note: Muslims attack Christians in many countries around the world. Western-style atheists don't push for human rights abuses against Christians. So there's a difference, too in my opinion.

 

 
Regards,
Thomas
 
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On 7/15/2019 at 4:47 AM, Sower said:


1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind. 

1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that
there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

great verses, Sower.

Let me bring this topic up again.

In the other thread a poster called atheists "imbeciles" (the scientists among them, to be exact). We've difficulty in reaching out to them, when some posters on Worthy call them names, I think. However, George says reaching out is the No 1 purpose of this board. The post got even voted up. Noone was protesting, however.

We need to be in unity when we evangelize. As your Bible verses said. Let's be more careful, please.

Thomas

 

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4 minutes ago, thomas t said:

great verses, Sower.

Let me bring this topic up again.

In the other thread a poster called atheists "imbeciles" (the scientists among them, to be exact). We've difficulty in reaching out to them, when some posters on Worthy call them names, I think. However, George says reaching out is the No 1 purpose of this board. The post got even voted up. Noone was protesting, however.

We need to be in unity when we evangelize. As your Bible verses said. Let's be more careful, please.

Thomas

 

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5 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Report the post so it can be dealt with

done. ok.

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