Christian socialism

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, unworthyservant said:

I don't understand. If you're asking if I want to live under Socialism, I prefer Capitalism only because the greed is a little more transparent. If it weren't for the human factor that cripples both systems I wouldn't care which system I was under as long as it didn't have rules that would prevent my freedom of worship. I'd be happy if the poor were better taken of whether that care came from the dollars I give to the Government to distribute or by personal distribution. The end result is what matters. Christ told us where our money should go and didn't mention any particular mechanism to distribute it but as long as corruption is rampant in both systems, I prefer the more transparent greed and corruption of Capitalism.

How did I get the idea your preferred socialism?

[unworthyservant]

7 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

First, I believe that even in Capitalism the elite few want to be in control of the many

Wow. I just corrected someone on the difference between a economic system and a political one and in my haste made the same error. Capitalism is an economic system and has nothing to do with who is in control. I should have said Democracy which is our political system instead of Capitalism. (We are a Democratic Republic and Capitalism is only the economic system) So, in fairness and to avoid confusion, I'm commenting on my own comment to correct my own wording. Sorry.

[unworthyservant]

8 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

How did I get the idea your preferred socialism?

Don't know. I never said it. All I say is I don't feel it's productive to spend time worrying about such things when "The harvest is great and the laborers few" and my comments were simply to demonstrate that it's not the particular economic system that's the problem but the greedy human nature that will inevitably corrupt either.

[johnthebaptist]

7 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

Don't know. I never said it. All I say is I don't feel it's productive to spend time worrying about such things when "The harvest is great and the laborers few" and my comments were simply to demonstrate that it's not the particular economic system that's the problem but the greedy human nature that will inevitably corrupt either.

Yes, though "The harvest is great and the laborers few" is a statement about spiritual growth, isn't it?

[lftc]

4 hours ago, Nadjeschda said:

Sorry but this is a discussion which is getting to worldly for me and contains to much political “special vocabulary“ and detail as a symptom of that trend.

I am more interested in how materialism leads to greed because as I and others agreed in this thread greed is a very big Problem in socialism too.

I think that materialistic people are naturally greedy because unlike true believers they fear death more. They are not willing to share wealth (capitalism) OR power (socialism) because this decreases their survival chances  and survival not their soul counts for them.

In addition they need constant and hard distraction from thinking about death. 

In capitalism people might buy and exploit prostitutes for distraction and in socialism women where forced into sex directly. In both cases the result for the women tend to be disastrous.

Whoever has faith in contrast does not need hard distraction to be happy but is completely relaxed.

I can draw happiness from the smallest things in this state of ultimate relaxation (even from hard pain in some cases).

I hence can‘t understand why many Christians hoard such enormous amounts of possessions and ideological defend the system that creates such inequalities.

Before god we are all created equal because we are created in his image.

Hi Nadjeshda,

I want to express to you that I admire the way you replied to the posts on this topic.  I could sense a patience as you dealt with the various responses.

I wish that serious topics such as this could be discussed without people discarding each other over issues.  It made sense to me when you observed that the Gulag system is really a logical extension of certain verses that were quoted .

Thanks for your topic.

[unworthyservant]

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Yes, though "The harvest is great and the laborers few" is a statement about spiritual growth, isn't it?

I see it as a statement on the urgency of doing God's work and recruiting workers to do the same while we can.

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

“ Under Capitalism, people exploit people! .......Under Communism, it’s the other way around.”

......an old Russian joke and an example of brilliant wit..

[lftc]

Just now, lftc said:

I wish that serious topics such as this could be discussed without people discarding each other over issues. 

Having just posted that I realized with my experience on other posts that many here prowl around seeking whom they may disrespect. 

To clarify my above statement:  I am not saying we should be dicsussing Churchill vs Stalin.  I am saying that topics of great importance to everyday life should be weighed based on christian belief.  Government is the single largest issue in most people's lives.  Calm, reasoned discussion could help, but like I tried to discuss in my topic about the new abilities to communicate, it is difficult.  And with the introduction of other cultures some careful deference must be given to understand that other perspectives may still be within the pale of orthodoxy.

I'm sure that, as usual, I miscommunicated.  It seems impossible here to communicate.

[johnthebaptist]

4 minutes ago, unworthyservant said:

I see it as a statement on the urgency of doing God's work and recruiting workers to do the same while we can.

But I think recruiting people to spread the word about the Lord is different than recruiting people to serve hamburgers as McDonalds.

[unworthyservant]

13 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

But I think recruiting people to spread the word about the Lord is different than recruiting people to serve hamburgers as McDonalds.

If only it were that easy but Christ warned us that it isn't. McDonald's recruiting plan just wouldn't even work. BTW, I just realized that your logo is a dog and not a lioness.