Does Everyone Here Take The Adam And Eve Story Literally?

[BeauJangles]

21 minutes ago, joebloggs said:

I'll keep my pearls to myself thanks.

what  pearls?

[BeauJangles]

12 minutes ago, joebloggs said:

I do not know.

Thanks. Lack of knowledge that you don't have I understand and accept. 

[Alive]

I think that one of the prime principles of God's creation is 'after kind'.

The 'type' is consistent right up to and including our 'New Birth'.

This is born out (pun not intended) in us. Being born after 'Christ's kind'.

Sons.

This was God's 'eternal purpose' and tied up in everything dear to His heart.

There is no changing one type of life to another. There is life, death and Life. In that order.

[BeauJangles]

12 minutes ago, Betha said:

Now, if people don't believe GOD what are they doing discussing HIS BOOK and HIS WORK ? because OUR OWN opinions surely do not matter.

Amen, Betha. Why can't we trust in God's word as undisputed truth, and why are some so stubbornly skeptical? 

[joebloggs]

18 minutes ago, Betha said:

It has always been some common belief that humans came from monkeys...but we still have apes and monkeys today....so why have they not all as a species transformed themselves into Humans ?   do they just like being monkeys ???  scripture says that among the animals was not found a MATE for Man.....implying that man was not an animal. You have no scriptural proof for your Belief, my friend.

As far as I can see there are no 'other mechanics for re-production, or at least have not been known of millennia ago than the 'human process and of course GOD's Creation.....in which HE made the first man and woman.

Now, if people don't believe GOD what are they doing discussing HIS BOOK and HIS WORK ? because OUR OWN opinions surely do not matter.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject.

Yes the scientists seem pretty certain they've proved evolution. I'm no expert on that kind of thing. I'm a simple man with simple beliefs. Dont confuse the taking of Adam and eves story figuratively as meaning someone 100 per cent believes evolution was the mechanics by which we were formed by God.

I still consider the story of adam and eve to be a figurative one and your position also remains unchanged. 

[BeauJangles]

52 minutes ago, joebloggs said:

My best guess was that at some point God put his likeness (our human spirit) into some sort of animal much like we are today.

I'll buy that. But, do you have a problem believing in God's word? 

 

Genesis 1:26-27 KJV ²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ²⁷So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Ephesians 2:10 KJV ¹⁰For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Isaiah 43:7 KJV ⁷Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

[joebloggs]

There seems to be some confusion on this thread. The question was not who believes the bible is true and who doesnt.

The question is who believes the story of adam and eve is literal and who believes its figurative. I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum believes in the bible.

[enoob57]

On 9/16/2019 at 10:23 AM, Sonshine said:

The serpent in the garden is none other than Satan, and he deceived Eve.

 

The reptile in Genesis was cursed and changed for it’s part in allowing satan to speak through it... We have another account of animals being enabled to speak

Numbers 22:28 (KJV) [28] And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
 

On 9/17/2019 at 1:18 PM, other one said:

 they did not understand the difference between right and wrong until the eating of that tree.   And there are physical and spiritual things that can accomplish this....    so in the end it was Satan himself that gave the human race the ability to be the jury that would condemn them in the end....

That means that God intended for it to happen from the start....

Job 34:22 (KJV) [22] There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

1 John 1:5 (KJV) [5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

OO according to these two verses eternal past there was no lie / evil as this witness stands against any form of need of such... The eternal state will contain the same as eternal past no form of lie exists... out of lie came the perversion of truth in which lie has the infinite set, truth,  to appeal for it’s existence to be - for lie is fully dependent upon truth to exist at all... God has judged this to be placed in a created place, after the fact of creation itself, called hell

Matthew 25:41 (KJV) [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

it is with this understanding of eternal realities that lie/evil is of no necessity in ones mind or reason or why would God say this
Philippians 4:8-9 (KJV) [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
[9] Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Simply there is no necessary to that which opposes The Eternal Necessary ... in fact with this mind set we are give no place

Ephesians 4:27 (KJV) [27] Neither give place to the devil.

with the exception of the preaching of this judgment by warning of such....
 

On 9/17/2019 at 5:05 PM, ReneeIW said:

Why was their rebellion considered so bad when they were ignorant of what they were doing? Scripture seems to make allowances for those who do things out of ignorance.

With the woman she was deceived but not ignorant

Genesis 3:3 (KJV) [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

however man carries the blame of willful disobedience!

1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

As the above states (and Scripture cannot be broken) the man was not deceived but fully aware disobeyed God ...
 

On 9/28/2019 at 5:18 PM, ReneeIW said:

So for the record, you believe a talking snake approached Eve and told her not to believe God, but to instead believe it, about whether or not she would die if she ate the fruit?

You believe a piece of fruit contained all the knowledge of good and evil and biting into it instantly gave Adam and Eve that knowledge? 

 

Seeing the only witness that was there is now God and His Word that speaks of it -what other authority is there that can be trusted?

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, joebloggs said:

The question asked was does everyone here take the story of Adam and eve literally. My answer is no. Yours is yes.

You want me to tell you the exact mechanics of how people came into existence. I do not know. 

I believe God made us. The exact mechanics of it I do not know. 

My best guess was that at some point God put his likeness (our human spirit) into some sort of animal much like we are today. 

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) [7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 

35 minutes ago, joebloggs said:

There seems to be some confusion on this thread. The question was not who believes the bible is true and who doesnt.

The question is who believes the story of adam and eve is literal and who believes its figurative. I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum believes in the bible.

Any portion of the Bible is doubted than one cannot say they believe in the Bible...

[angels4u]

ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL PEOPLE

However, when one studies the Bible it becomes clear that the historicity of Adam and Eve is essential to the message of Scripture.

1.Treated As Actual Humans

As we read the early chapters of Genesis, we find Adam and Eve treated as real people. There is absolutely nothing in the account to suggest that they were anything but actual people. Furthermore, the human race had to start somewhere! Why not with Adam and Eve.
2.Children Were Born To Them

The Bible records Adam and Eve giving birth to children (Genesis 4:1,25). This is another indication they were real people.

3.Phrase Used Of Real People

The repeated phrase in the Book of Genesis, This is the history of, is used not only of Adam and Eve, but of other people who actually existed. Since the same phrase is used of those whose existence is not in doubt, Adam and Eve should be treated the same as them-people who really existed.

4.Old Testament Genealogies

The chronology of the Old Testament also gives evidence to the existence of Adam and Eve. In 1 Chronicles 1:1, Adam is listed first in the genealogy. He is named with other people whose existence is not in doubt.

5.Genealogy Of Jesus

The New Testament clearly teaches that Adam and Eve were actual people. In the genealogy of Jesus, Adam is considered to be a literal person. The Gospel of Luke records that Jesus' lineage went back to,
 

The son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38).

Adam's existence is put on the same level as the existence of God in this passage. It is also plain that Jesus was a descendant of an individual named Adam seeing that all other names in the genealogy were of individuals.

6.Jesus' Testimony

We refer to the testimony of Jesus:
 

Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female (Matthew 19:4).

This passage teaches that Adam and Eve were literally created by God.

7.Sin, Death, Salvation

The biblical teaching of sin entering the world, death as a result of sin, and the need for the death of Christ upon the cross, are all based upon the fact that Adam was an actual person. The Apostle Paul believed in a literal understanding of the Fall of Adam and Eve as recorded in Genesis 3.
 

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned. . . Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses (Romans 5:12,14).

In this passage Adam, as the first man, is credited with the responsibility of bringing sin into the world. He is also compared to Moses, a historical figure.

8.Adam, The First Man

Scripture specifically says that Adam was the first man.
 

So also it is written, The first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45).

9.Doctrine Of Resurrection

The biblical doctrine of resurrection is based upon a literal understanding of Adam:
 

For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:21,22).

The past resurrection of Christ is consistently portrayed in Scripture as literally occurring. The same holds true for the resurrection of believers in the future. Because of Adam all of us die, because of Christ, believers shall be raised to be with Him.

10. Adam Was Formed First

In another place Paul wrote:
 

For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression (1 Timothy 2:13,14).

This testifies to his actual existence as the first man.

Summary

From the biblical evidence it is clear that Adam was an actual human being-the first creation of the Lord.

Eve

Eve's literal existence is also essential to the message of the Bible. The following biblical teachings are based on her existence:

1.The basis of a biblical marriage (Matthew 19:4-9)

2.Divorce (Matthew 19:4-10)

3.The evils of (Romans 1:25-27)

4.Immorality (1 Corinthians 6:13-16)

5.The husband to be head of the wife (Ephesians 5:23) (1 Corinthians 11:3)

6.The wife to be submissive to husband (Ephesians 5:22,24)

7. The spiritual role of women (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

Circumstantial Evidence

Dr. William Smith, a scholar of one hundred years ago, wrote the following concerning the biblical account of Adam and Eve and the Fall of humankind.
 

We must not omit to notice the traces of these truths, which are found among many nations. The Greek legend of Pandora traces the entrance of evil to a woman; the Buddhist and Chinese traditions refer the beginning of sin to eating forbidden fruit and desiring forbidden knowledge; and most systems of mythology make the serpent a type of the power of evil, and a divine personage his destroyer. Delitzsch well says, 'The story of the Fall, like that of the Creation, has wandered over the world. Heathen nations have transplanted and mixed it up with their geography, their history, their mythology, although it has never so completely changed form, and color, and spirit, that you can not recognize it. Here, however, in the Law, it preserves the character of a universal, human, world-wide fact: and the groans of Creation, the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, and the heart of every man, conspire in their testimony to the most literal truth of the narrative.' The recollection of the tree of life is preserved in the sacred tree of the Assyrians and Hindoos, and in other Eastern systems of mythology (The Old Testament History, edited by Dr. William Smith, 1865, p. 29).

Recent Evidence

There is also recent evidence that Adam is not merely a word for humankind in general, but it is an actual proper name. In the 1970's, tablets were discovered in northern Syria at a place called Ebla. In the ancient cuneiform text, the name Adam was discovered as a personal name. This is the first example found outside of Scripture where the term Adam was applied to an individual. Therefore it is not necessary to assume that Adam is some kind of word referring to mankind in general rather than a name of one specific individual. As we have seen, the Bible consistently treats Adam as an individual and so should we.

Summary

The Bible consistently teaches that Adam and Eve were actual people, and that their literal existence is essential to understanding the remainder of Scripture. Any attempt to allegorize them, or to make them representative of mankind, places many major biblical teachings at risk.https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_696.cfm