Dissension Is Not the Unforgiveable Sin

[lftc]

1 hour ago, George said:

Paul had to deal with "divisions" inside the Corinthian church.  Notice what Paul said,

1Co 11:18  For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, 
1Co 11:19  for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. 

I believe when you see "divisions" or "discord", it truly allows those who are genuine believers to be easily recognized.  As we run the forums, do you suppose that I've ever found anyone that completely agrees with me?  LOL!  Of course not ... the real issue is ... do you allow disagreements to allow a "schism" in the body?  Be one of those who is "genuine" ... people can tell quickly who is genuinely in love with their Lord -- because their lives are a reflection of His Love.

God bless,

George

Good point, George.  I like that you brought in further illustration about the topic that Paul was referring to in Galatians.  It is helpful to add that scripture to ponder as well.  Brings the reader closer to understanding what Paul meant by genuine.

I was going to make a joke about people always agreeing with you, but we don't know each other, so it is too risky for misinterpretation.  I do notice the patience of the forums with varying viewpoints.  That is a good characteristic.

Out of curiosity about the activities of the Steward, did you happen to read this topic thread by chance? 

[George]

2 hours ago, lftc said:

Out of curiosity about the activities of the Steward, did you happen to read this topic thread by chance? 

Honestly, I saw the topic title as I went down the front page ... so I just took a gander.    

I live in Israel -- and the way the Rabbis teach is the room is set up in a square, and the students are sitting whereby everyone can see one another ... and a topic of discussion comes up ... and the Rabbi doesn't stop the students from discussing the point out ... to the point they are yelling at one another ... and the Rabbi will let the discussion play itself out and will use the arguments as a lesson in of itself.  You see truth is often in both sides of the argument -- and also found in your journey for the truth!

The word truth in Hebrew is the Word Emmitt -- אמת -- it starts with the Aleph -- first letter of the alphabet -- the Tav -- the last letter of the alphabet -- and Mem -- the middle letter of the alphabet. 

So the search for truth is not only about how you begin your search for it, and how you end your search for it ... but also the journey to find it.

What I simply try to do ... is be like the rabbi ... let the students discuss out the debate ... and in the discussion, you'll find many ways to see the same truth ... and if done properly, the discussion itself is a lesson of itself.  

But it depends on the student ... and the teacher ... at times you should be BOTH!

Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,

George

[Who me]

Paul does not call desention unforgiveable. It is not a case that can be made for from this passage.

[Firm Foundation]

21 minutes ago, Who me said:

Paul does not call desention unforgiveable. It is not a case that can be made for from this passage.

None of those sins were unforgivable if a person repents, but they will keep a person out of heaven if they don't.

[lftc]

18 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

None of those sins were unforgivable if a person repents, but they will keep a person out of heaven if they don't.

Firm Foundation,  thanks for clarifying that for Who Me. 

I do have a question for you:  Are you saying that if I post something that other people do not agree with here, and have a heart attack before I repent (not sure how you define that word), I am going to hell?

[Who me]

19 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

None of those sins were unforgivable if a person repents, but they will keep a person out of heaven if they don't.

 

21 minutes ago, lftc said:

Firm Foundation,  thanks for clarifying that for Who Me.

I do have a question for you:  Are you saying that if I post something that other people do not agree with here, and have a heart attack before I repent (not sure how you define that word), I am going to hell?

 

You appear to be saying that when a Christian sins, if he dies without having repented he will go to hell.

Do you really believe that sins are stronger than Jesuis's Love, which according to Paul nothing can separate us from Jesus love.

[Firm Foundation]

45 minutes ago, lftc said:

Firm Foundation,  thanks for clarifying that for Who Me. 

I do have a question for you:  Are you saying that if I post something that other people do not agree with here, and have a heart attack before I repent (not sure how you define that word), I am going to hell?

No.  That is not what it means about sowing discord.  There are some who just like to turn one person against another for amusement.  It is not about sincere disagreement.

[Firm Foundation]

25 minutes ago, Who me said:

 

 

You appear to be saying that when a Christian sins, if he dies without having repented he will go to hell.

Do you really believe that sins are stronger than Jesuis's Love, which according to Paul nothing can separate us from Jesus love.

I am saying if you willfully sin and don't repent, if you die in that condition, you will go to hell.   You can spin that any way you want.  No, I am not RCC or 7th Day Adventist.  More than half the Christian church world rejects OSAS.   I am independent full gospel.

[lftc]

4 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

No.  That is not what it means about sowing discord.  There are some who just like to turn one person against another for amusement.  It is not about sincere disagreement.

Thank you for the explanation.

If I can presume further on your gracious demeanor, I would summarize your point of view of the verses in Galatians 5 to be something like this:

When Paul lists the works of the flesh In Galatians 5 in which he includes factions, those are a different kind of faction than the ones Paul refered to in the passage 1 Cor 11.   And they are not the kind of faction about which Paul is writing to the Galatian church. 

Did I guess at your viewpoint reasonably well?

[Firm Foundation]

3 hours ago, lftc said:

Thank you for the explanation.

If I can presume further on your gracious demeanor, I would summarize your point of view of the verses in Galatians 5 to be something like this:

When Paul lists the works of the flesh In Galatians 5 in which he includes factions, those are a different kind of faction than the ones Paul refered to in the passage 1 Cor 11.   And they are not the kind of faction about which Paul is writing to the Galatian church. 

Did I guess at your viewpoint reasonably well?

1 cor. 11 was speaking of taking communion in a disrespectful manner.  Galatians 5 speaks of walking according to the flesh.  They are totally different.