GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[BibleGuy]

20 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

Of course it is still enforced by God. The Law never ended. It judges folks. It has curses attached to it too. 

Paul sent the ol boy back to the Law that he was once delivered from. 

NOBODY is "delivered" from ALL law!

The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33).

So OBEY!

 

[BibleGuy]

16 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

Burn homosexuals in Spirit and not in flesh?

Stone adulterers in Spirit not flesh?

Pay tithes in Spirit not flesh?

Pluck our eyes out and amputate troubling members of our bodies in Spirit not in flesh?.....

"Burn homosexuals in Spirit and not in flesh?"

Why do you keep talking about "burning homosexuals"?

Lev. 20:13 does not say "burn".

 

"Stone adulterers in Spirit not flesh?"

Stoning is generally prohibited in the countries in which we live....so that's not generally presently observable in our current diaspora.

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

"Pay tithes in Spirit not flesh?"

Tithes go to the " אוֹצָר " (Mal.3:10) which is presently not operative.

So, we can't tithe right now either.

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

"Pluck our eyes out and amputate troubling members of our bodies in Spirit not in flesh?"

You REALLY think Lev.24:19 occurs very often?  It was a DETERRENT.....not something widely needed to be practiced....

The point of having nuclear weapons is so that they do NOT need to be used....MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION is a deterrent.....so is Lev.24:19 a deterrent against physical abuse.

And RELAX.....while in diaspora, we generally are not able to follow all Torah anyway....it's part of our punishment for our disobedience....

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

29 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Scripture says that those who preach a different gospel from what is preached by the Apostles will be condemned. The word of God needs to be read literally. When we make ourselves final authorities of which parts of the Bible should be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. 

Good points!

And the APOSTLES include TORAH-TEACHERS (" γραμματεύς ", Mt.23:34).  So obey Torah!

And we are saved by the Gospel IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREACHED (1Cor.15:1-5) which is the word of FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

And those in CHRIST (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19) are not condemned (Rom.8:1).

And the word of God includes TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33).  So let's literally obey God's Torah.

Let's uphold ALL SCRIPTURE (thus including TORAH!  2Ti.3:16) to rebuke and correct and teach and train our behavior.

After all, we do not want to elevate ourselves above God or above God's word.

 

blessings...

 

[Resurrection Priest]

On 12/20/2019 at 12:40 PM, KJVOnly said:

Lev 20;13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

Okay, start the fires. 

I think ALL OF US were condemned under "the law of sin and death".  Right?  

If "the law of the spirit of life in Jesus Christ" "has delivered" all those who believe from "the law of sin and death", why cannot homosexuals be included in "all those who believe".  Because they have not yet overcome their sin-ful addiction, is not a reason to exclude them from that promised deliverance.   Sometimes recovery/healing/victory is a process that takes time. 

[Resurrection Priest]

9 hours ago, Behold said:

Christ came to deliver us from the "curse of the Torah" (Law)"

How can the curse of the Law be the Law.  That doesn't make sense. 

Paul is not saying that the Law itself was the curse.  Paul is reminding his readers that the Law pronounced a curse (death) upon those who broke that covenant. 

Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by being cursed for our sake" (NJB).

Jesus suffered "the curse of the law" (death) for us. 

I am NOT saying that "First Covenant" is still in effect.  I don't believe it is.  I believe that "First Covenant" has been replaced by a "New Covenant". 

Because God's Son (the "husband" of that First Covenant) died,  His "wife" (Israel) was left a widow.  She then became "free" to marry "another man".   Paul says the new husband IS the risen Messiah.  That's all in Romans Cpt 7.    Those who enter in to the New Covenant are effectively "betrothed" to Yeshua.  

Exactly what commands (given under the First Covenant) pass into the New Covenant - is debatable.     

 

 

[KJVOnly]

52 minutes ago, Resurrection Priest said:

I think ALL OF US were condemned under "the law of sin and death".  Right?  

If "the law of the spirit of life in Jesus Christ" "has delivered" all those who believe from "the law of sin and death", why cannot homosexuals be included in "all those who believe".  Because they have not yet overcome their sin-ful addiction, is not a reason to exclude them from that promised deliverance.   Sometimes recovery/healing/victory is a process that takes time. 

The Law of sin and death is actually the Law of the OT. Paul said the Law revealed his sin and pronounced death on him in Romans 7. 

Romans 8 is Paul saying he is delivered from this Law. 

[KJVOnly]

2 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

"Burn homosexuals in Spirit and not in flesh?"

Why do you keep talking about "burning homosexuals"?

Lev. 20:13 does not say "burn".

 

"Stone adulterers in Spirit not flesh?"

Stoning is generally prohibited in the countries in which we live....so that's not generally presently observable in our current diaspora.

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

"Pay tithes in Spirit not flesh?"

Tithes go to the " אוֹצָר " (Mal.3:10) which is presently not operative.

So, we can't tithe right now either.

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

"Pluck our eyes out and amputate troubling members of our bodies in Spirit not in flesh?"

You REALLY think Lev.24:19 occurs very often?  It was a DETERRENT.....not something widely needed to be practiced....

The point of having nuclear weapons is so that they do NOT need to be used....MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION is a deterrent.....so is Lev.24:19 a deterrent against physical abuse.

And RELAX.....while in diaspora, we generally are not able to follow all Torah anyway....it's part of our punishment for our disobedience....

Don't worry, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....or else Moses is a false prophet.

 

blessings...

 

Killer Christians....,

[KJVOnly]

3 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

NOBODY is "delivered" from ALL law!

The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33).

So OBEY!

 

Then nobody is righteous. 

Read 1 Tim 1:6-10 

 

.....sinner!

 

[Resurrection Priest]

15 minutes ago, Resurrection Priest said:

How can the curse of the Law be the Law.  That doesn't make sense. 

Paul is not saying that the Law itself was the curse.  Paul is reminding his readers that the Law pronounced a curse (death) upon those who broke that covenant. 

Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by being cursed for our sake" (NJB).

Jesus suffered "the curse of the law" (death) for us. 

I am NOT saying that "First Covenant" is still in effect.  I don't believe it is.  I believe that "First Covenant" has been replaced by a "New Covenant". 

Because God's Son (the "husband" of that First Covenant) died,  His "wife" (Israel) was left a widow.  She then became "free" to marry "another man".   Paul says the new husband IS the risen Messiah.  That's all in Romans Cpt 7.    Those who enter in to the New Covenant are effectively "betrothed" to Yeshua.  

Exactly what commands (given under the First Covenant) pass into the New Covenant - is debatable.     

 

 

QUESTION IS:   Does the New Covenant pronounce a curse on anyone?  On who?  For what reason? 

To hear the Baptist once-saved-always-saved doctrine, the New Covenant never pronounces the curse of death upon anyone, for any reason.  Once a person has entered into covenant with God through Jesus Christ,  that person cannot loose that salvation, no matter what he does or doesn't do.  I personally don't buy that one.

The Book of Revelation is written in the format of an ancient Covenant Lawsuit.  The plantiff is reviewing the terms and parties to that lawsuit, and presenting His case as to why the accused should suffer the penalty of that covenant.  I would assume that Revelation is speaking of the New Covenant. 

So - is anyone accursed in the Book of Revelation? 

NOTE:  One cannot be cursed by a covenant, who has not entered in to that covenant.  eg:  ignorant pagans, or little children

[BeauJangles]

7 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

Killer Christians....,

5 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

.....sinner!

Do you think it would be possible to have a little peace and good will towards men for the next few days at least? I realize our Lord and Saviour wasn't born during this time of year. Still, it's a nice idea anytime at all. This is getting a bit too personal isn't it?