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1 hour ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

If Paul said it......Jesus said it....... “ Follow me as I follow Christ”  

“ ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God .......”

Jesus lived in the Age Of Law and preached Law in His earthly Ministry. We are not living under Law.Ever since  Jesus returned to Heaven , we are living in the Age Of Grace. Many changes took place after Jesus Shed His Blood for us  at the Cross.......Jesus used Paul as His Secretary to reveal all of the great changes brought about by the New Covenant Of Grace......Anybody that relegates Paul to a position of “ take him or leave him”is in a state of ignorance that is profound in its implications. Ignore Paul and YOU pay the price .

 

If Paul said it, Jesus said it? I disagree. Paul was very wise but he wasn't perfect.


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On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 1:15 PM, johnthebaptist said:

If Jesus said, "Get me a fish," one person could do that. We wouldn't all have to do that, would we?

No we wouldn't and You are giving another example of right division

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On 12/11/2019 at 8:48 PM, johnthebaptist said:

If Paul said it, Jesus said it? I disagree. Paul was very wise but he wasn't perfect.

but if the Holy Spirit allowed it to be put into the Bible, I would think that everyone should pay attention to it.....    however not everything that Paul said was intended for everyone today.....   for that matter neither was everything that Jesus Said meant for everyone today....    one much pay attention not only what was said but to whom it was said and what time period it pertained to.

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5 minutes ago, other one said:

but if the Holy Spirit allowed it to be put into the Bible, I would think that everyone should pay attention to it.....    however not everything that Paul said was intended for everyone today.....   for that matter neither was everything that Jesus Said meant for everyone today....    one much pay attention not only what was said but to whom it was said and what time period it pertained to.

Maybe the Lord allowed things to put into the Bible to see if we really loved our neighbor. For example, Paul told women not to speak in church. We can all see that is unfair.


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1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

Maybe the Lord allowed things to put into the Bible to see if we really loved our neighbor. For example, Paul told women not to speak in church. We can all see that is unfair.

unless you understand the history of the people he was speaking to and did not mean that for the whole world....   Remember that our books that Paul wrote were to different groups of people with different problems in their churches.  


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3 minutes ago, other one said:

unless you understand the history of the people he was speaking to and did not mean that for the whole world....   Remember that our books that Paul wrote were to different groups of people with different problems in their churches.  

Either the words stand for all time, or they don't stand at all.


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3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Either the words stand for all time, or they don't stand at all.

words stand fine, but to whom were they spoken.....    the example earlier where it is said Jesus said, "bring me a fish."    he was speaking to a single individual for that time period, not the whole world in general.       Makes a difference especially in trying to bring old testament things into the new covenant.   but that's a whole different rabbit hole.

 


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10 minutes ago, other one said:

words stand fine, but to whom were they spoken.....    the example earlier where it is said Jesus said, "bring me a fish."    he was speaking to a single individual for that time period, not the whole world in general.       Makes a difference especially in trying to bring old testament things into the new covenant.   but that's a whole different rabbit hole.

 

You can't say it was wrong for women to speak in church then, but it's okay now. It was always okay.


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56 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

You can't say it was wrong for women to speak in church then, but it's okay now. It was always okay.

https://margmowczko.com/pauls-personal-greetings-to-women-ministers/

to save me a whole lot of typing...

 


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Maybe you would capsulize that for me.

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