BIG ERRORS: The Bride.

[missmuffet]

48 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I agree with everything you've stated with the exception of where the marriage and marriage supper takes place. Carefully reading Revelation Chapter 19:, it's apparent to me it takes place in Heaven during the tribulation. As the events that follow with Jesus' second coming with His saints concludes the tribulation period. 

Read Revelation Chapter 19: and tell me how you determined the marriage happens on earth? Perhaps once again I'm missing something and incorrect? 

IMHO, gotquestions.org is a great site and fits my biblical view with few exceptions, and those few are mainly in Genesis.

It could take place during the tribulation while we are in heaven. I have heard this interpretation as well from a reputable teacher. 

[Marilyn C]

One point regarding `downloads.` I could download as my answer, and then some one else can download another person`s opinion, and so on. That is not discussing. The site is not in question, but the lack of discussing is.

[Marilyn C]

I would also like to thank everyone for discussing politely on this very sensitive topic. I was taught a certain view and others have been taught differently. We all desire for truth and thus we discuss. We probably know that each will not be moved from their view, but others reading have the opportunity to read of both views that are discussed politely.

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The marriage supper takes place on earth in connection with Christ's second coming to earth. 

In the biblical use of figure of marriage, variations can be observed in both the Old and New Testaments. Frequently in the Old Testament, as for instance in the book of Hosea, Israel is described as the unfaithful wife of God to be restored to her postition as a faithful wife in the future millennial reign. While marriage is often used as an illustration of various truths, the norm is that Israel is already married to God and has proved unfaitful to her responsibilities as a wife. 

Thank you missmuffet,

I appreciate you sharing and discussing here. I do agree with you that the `marriage supper,` takes place on earth. We read of this in Matthew 22: 1 - 13. There is a person who enters the Wedding feast without a wedding garment. Even though this is a parable, it reveals that the wedding place occurs on the earth, for no one could enter heaven without a `wedding garment.` (Matt. 22: 12) But then of course there are no marriages in heaven, and thus no `Wedding supper.` (Mark 12: 25)

Marilyn.

[Retrobyter]

On 12/16/2019 at 6:48 PM, Marilyn C said:

Big Errors: The Bride.
 

I believe that many people have been wrongly taught that the Body of Christ is also the `Bride` of Christ. I personally find this very strange that men especially would believe this - men becoming a bride/female, when we are saying that people of transgender are against God`s ways. `Men, come to Jesus and be His bride!` That is quite wrong!

There is NO scripture that tells us that the Body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. No Scripture. People say, `It means purity.`  We can say purity but NOT that men have to be female, a bride, especially in this season of LGTB.

There are 2 scriptures that people use to wrongly make this doctrine.

1.Eph. 5: 25 - 33. This scripture is after 4 chapters where the apostle Paul has laid out the doctrine of the Body of Christ, the New MAN. Then in chapter 5 Paul starts to exhort children, wives and husbands. He encourages the husbands to love their wives as Christ does His BODY.  It is an exhortation.

2.In 2 Cor. 11: 1 - 3 the Apostle Paul is speaking specifically to his disciples in Corinth and saying that he wants to present them to the Lord, in purity, like a virgin. This is just a symbol, and just for his disciples. Paul does NOT present us to the Lord for it is the Lord Himself who will present us. (Jude 24)

 

So who is the `Bride?`

God`s word tells us that Israel is the Bride.

`For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the Lord of hosts…for the Lord has called you like a wife forsaken….` (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

`I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in loving kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord.` (Hosea 3: 19 & 20)

 

Why is it important? There are different inheritances for Israel, (the Bride) and the Body of Christ, (the New Man).

`Let no one cheat you or your reward……and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the BODY, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.` (Col. 2: 18 & 19)

 

Marilyn.

 

Shalom, Marilyn.

Ever hear of an "ANALOGY?" When one introduces the words "like" or "as," one has taken this concept out of the realm of reality into symbolism.

And, speaking of symbolism, the "bride of Christ," or rather the "bride of the Lamb," is the New Jerusalem itself!

Revelation 21:2, 9-11ff (KJV)

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven (out of the sky), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
...

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying,

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; ...

Verse 2 is an analogy by simile, and verse 10 is an analogy by metaphor!

[enoob57]

6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

One point regarding `downloads.` I could download as my answer, and then some one else can download another person`s opinion, and so on. That is not discussing. The site is not in question, but the lack of discussing is.

Marilyn we are all composed of what has been taught us

1 Cor 12:28-29

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
KJV
Truth is the goal and how and where the Holy Spirit draws from not so important as the eternal truth He brings... 

[Dennis1209]

Sure is varying degrees and subdivisions of interpretation on this subject as most other biblical subjects on here. We all have preconceived notions, different world views and hermeneutics. Some say no marriage with no marriage supper, some say if there is a wedding feast, it's on earth?

Revelation 19:1 (KJV) And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: The location of the 'people' in Heaven has not changed through verses 7 through nine below. 

Revelation 19:7 (KJV) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [emphasis added]

Revelation 19:9 (KJV) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. [emphasis added]

I contend the 'Lamb' is Jesus, and His wife is the messianic Jew's and saved gentiles grafted in, a.k.a. "the body of Christ", and the marriage supper is after the Bema Seat judgment and in Heaven during the tribulation here on earth. 

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Marilyn.

Ever hear of an "ANALOGY?" When one introduces the words "like" or "as," one has taken this concept out of the realm of reality into symbolism.

And, speaking of symbolism, the "bride of Christ," or rather the "bride of the Lamb," is the New Jerusalem itself!

Revelation 21:2, 9-11ff (KJV)

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven (out of the sky), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
...

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying,

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; ...

Verse 2 is an analogy by simile, and verse 10 is an analogy by metaphor!

Hi Retro,

Yes, I agree with you. However the nation of Israel is also likened to a `bride,` a `wife.`

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Marilyn we are all composed of what has been taught us

1 Cor 12:28-29

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
KJV
Truth is the goal and how and where the Holy Spirit draws from not so important as the eternal truth He brings... 

Hi enoob,

Yes we are, I agree. However most of us do some homework and discuss in our own words. When someone just downloads another`s opinion then that is not doing any work or actually discussing with others.

regards, Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Sure is varying degrees and subdivisions of interpretation on this subject as most other biblical subjects on here. We all have preconceived notions, different world views and hermeneutics. Some say no marriage with no marriage supper, some say if there is a wedding feast, it's on earth?

Revelation 19:1 (KJV) And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: The location of the 'people' in Heaven has not changed through verses 7 through nine below. 

Revelation 19:7 (KJV) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [emphasis added]

Revelation 19:9 (KJV) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. [emphasis added]

I contend the 'Lamb' is Jesus, and His wife is the messianic Jew's and saved gentiles grafted in, a.k.a. "the body of Christ", and the marriage supper is after the Bema Seat judgment and in Heaven during the tribulation here on earth. 

Hi Dennis,

I was agreeing with you till I got to the gentiles grafted in etc.

You would need scriptures to support your view.

BTW Is the title `Lamb` ever used in connection to the Body of Christ?

Marilyn.