1 Corinthians 11 1-16 Should women wear prayer veils?

[Servant of the Lord]

 

[other one]

just a note Servant, we are not allowed to post video's in any forum except the video forum....    lots of reasons why....    if you read this before a mod sees them and removes them you should just delete them yourself....    if they beat you to it then please don't be offended when they disappear.   Maybe they can move the whole thread over to the video forum.

[other one]

there are medical reasons why Paul's hair covering suggestions were made.....    has to do with how easy it is to get pregnant and how that was a temptation to the angels in the past.  Technical terms is kind of sensitive but to really understand it you need to read up in the Greek medical journals that were available at the time....

Sometimes the general cosmology of the times the Bible was written is needed to understand the context of some scripture...    Long hair on a woman is a terrible temptation for an angel.  And they really are around all the time, but especially when we are worshiping...

[Servant of the Lord]

https://www.sermonaudio.com/saplayer/playpopup.asp?SID=424030217  Part 1 

https://www.sermonaudio.com/saplayer/playpopup.asp?SID=72503233756  Part 2

by Pastor Brian Schwertley 

 Part 2 covers cultural issues.

 Christians should not come up with excuses not to follow 1 Corinthians 11 1-16 (head coverings) just to support their declension.

[Servant of the Lord]

On 12/25/2019 at 9:00 AM, other one said:

there are medical reasons why Paul's hair covering suggestions were made.....    has to do with how easy it is to get pregnant and how that was a temptation to the angels in the past.  Technical terms is kind of sensitive but to really understand it you need to read up in the Greek medical journals that were available at the time....

Sometimes the general cosmology of the times the Bible was written is needed to understand the context of some scripture...    Long hair on a woman is a terrible temptation for an angel.  And they really are around all the time, but especially when we are worshiping...

It is sorrowful to see a "christian" mocking half a chapter of Holy scripture 1 Corinthians 11 1-16  

[other one]

1 hour ago, Servant of the Lord said:

It is sorrowful to see a "christian" mocking half a chapter of Holy scripture 1 Corinthians 11 1-16  

moking?????      Really??????     that's what you see?????        it is sad isn't it.

[Justin Adams]

Understand CONTEXT. It was not written to us modern technocrats with medical understanding. It was written to the current people of the day. The Greek medico had some weird ideas and the hair of a woman was one of them. Simple searches will reveal this truth, not some lengthy youtube video.

[Servant of the Lord]

9 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Understand CONTEXT. It was not written to us modern technocrats with medical understanding. It was written to the current people of the day. The Greek medico had some weird ideas and the hair of a woman was one of them. Simple searches will reveal this truth, not some lengthy youtube video.

I understand context quite a bit since I graduated seminary. I also understand in regards to 1 Corinthians 11 1-16  the rise of the feminist movement in our culture has made this portion of Scripture a veritable battleground.

[Justin Adams]

56 minutes ago, Servant of the Lord said:

I understand context quite a bit since I graduated seminary. I also understand in regards to 1 Corinthians 11 1-16  the rise of the feminist movement in our culture has made this portion of Scripture a veritable battleground.

Maybe, but the Greek medical reasoning of Hippocrates is all wrong, yet in that day and context was believed by all. Has little to do with the fem movement in reality. Just another poorly conceived bandwagon.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Servant of the Lord]

21 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Maybe, but the Greek medical reasoning of Hippocrates is all wrong, yet in that day and context was believed by all. Has little to do with the fem movement in reality. Just another poorly conceived bandwagon.

None of that has anything to do with why Paul instructions to the Church found in 1 Corinthians 11 1-16 for women in corporate worship to use a veil for head covering.  Are you even familiar with 1 Corinthians 11?  The entire chapter was in regards to corporate worship. The first 16 verses half a chapter of Holy Scripture had to do with head coverings for women, and the reasons why. The second half had to do with corrections regarding the Lord's supper. 

Excerpt used for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY: [John Phillips Commentary Series, The - Exploring 1 Corinthians: An Expository Commentary.]

[The second part of Paul's question takes up the obvious counterpart to all this. It has to do with nature and a woman's hair, especially with its loveliness: "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" (11:15). Some have taken this verse as an excuse for annulling all the previous teaching on the need for a woman to wear a covering on her head when she prays or prophesies. That cannot be. Paul does not devote a dozen verses to building his case only to knock it down casually and carelessly in the last verse. The woman's long hair is indeed her covering—but it is not the covering under discussion in the previous verses.

Paul uses a different word altogether here from the ones he has used elsewhere in the chapter. He uses the word peribolaion. It denotes something thrown around someone. It is a composite word made up of peri (around) and ballō (to throw). The thought behind the word is that a woman's long hair is a mantle, a wrapper, provided by nature for a woman's covering. Her hair, indeed, is her glory. Many women, indeed, know how to make the most of it and use it to advantage to catch the eye and excite the admiration (or envy) of others. As long hair on a man is a shame to him, so long hair on a woman is a glory to her.

This only adds weight to Paul's previous ruling. The woman, when she prays or prophesies, must put another covering over this natural covering. When she stands up to participate in worship she must not draw attention to herself. She must not put her hair on display. That would draw attention away from her words to her person. Her glorious, natural covering must be veiled. Only in this way can she honorably participate in audible public worship. The man, then, is to have short hair, the woman is to have long hair. The man is to participate in public worship with his head uncovered, the woman is to participate in public worship with her head covered. The man, with his head uncovered, acknowledges the headship of Christ. The woman, with her head covered, acknowledges the headship of the man.

Paul is through. However, he adds a final caution: "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God" (11:16). Paul, it seemed, realized that this teaching would be unpopular. He concludes with a sharp warning. The word for contentious here is philoneikos. It is a composite word made up of phileo (to love) and neikos (strife). It means to love strife or to enjoy squabbling. A companion word, philoeikia, is used to describe an incident in the Upper Room just after the Lord had instituted the communion feast, and just after He had bluntly stated that one of them would betray Him. We read "there was also a strife [philoneikia] among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest" (Luke 22:24). How sad! A love of strife leading to such an argument at such a time! Paul sensed this same un-Christlike spirit would motivate some to pick on his teaching and argue about it.

"We have no such custom!" Paul bluntly declares. That is, we have no such custom, here or anywhere else in the churches, to quarrel, especially over divinely revealed truth. The subject matter he had been discussing was of the highest order. It was not open for debate by those who simply liked to argue for argument's sake.]