Cunning Manipulation or Christian Contiriton?

[ReneeIW]

Recent True Story:

A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife with multiple women. Some of the women are put up in apartments across the country so when he travels, he can be with them. The wife finds out and is asked by the couple's pastor to forgive. She does. He cheats again and she leaves him only to return again after he apologizes and goes to rehab for whatever problems he says is contributing to the cheating. 

 After he has gained her trust, he attempts to cheat again and she finds out about it. In his last effort to save his marriage, he flies in Pastor Anthony Thompson, the pastor whose wife was killed by Dylan Roof in the Charleston Church killings. The husband says that if Pastor Anthony Thompson can forgive the man who killed his wife and the other church goers, than she can certainly forgive him for adultery. And Pastor Anthony Thompson and other members of that church encourage her to forgive. The husband is praised in the paper for holding the event.

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

[ayin jade]

Regardless of his motive in claiming she needs to forgive, the bible tells us we are to forgive. So she really does need to forgive. Whether she remains married to him or not is up to her. Scripturally she has grounds for divorce. Seems like they need counseling and its not really our business since we are not part of the congregation nor do we know them. Now if he tried to convince me that what he was doing is good and try to force me to support his adulterous lifestyle, I would be vocal to speak out against him. But he isnt. I havent heard anyone try to convince me heterosexual adultery is a good thing.  

Im guessing you are attempting to link this to trump. Which makes me question your motive in this. 

[ReneeIW]

13 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Im guessing you are attempting to link this to trump. Which makes me question your motive in this. 

That made me laugh.

 I know them personally and he has caused a lot of pain. He is a master manipulator and was wondering if anyone else could see it.

he sickens me.

Edited December 18, 2019 by ReneeIW

[ayin jade]

11 minutes ago, ReneeIW said:

That made me laugh.

 I know them personally and he has caused a lot of pain. He is a master manipulator and was wondering if anyone else could see it.

he sickens me.

Pray for him.

I dont expect folks who are outside the situation to be able to see whether or not he is a manipulator. 

[ayin jade]

The guy who killed my brother in law was not repentent. At least, not that I know of. The Lord impressed on me the need to forgive him and pray for him. I dont recall the bible saying its ok not to forgive if they are not sorry.

[ReneeIW]

12 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

I am not sure I trust that husband .. he brings in that pastor with the premise that if he can forgive the one who killed his wife, the husband's wife should be able to forgive him his adultery ..

I agree. And furthermore, he is ALWAYS recieving a standing ovation for "confessing" his sins AFTER he is caught. He received a standing ovation after he got out of rehab. And received praise for being "transparent" about the pain he caused others. He was only transparent because he could not get a Non-Disclosure.

I just think if he was really sorry, that would be between he and his wife and famous people wouldn't be paid to come and speak about the importance of her forgiving him. He should have put all that effort into not cheating on her in the first place.

Edited December 18, 2019 by ReneeIW

[ReneeIW]

7 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Pray for him.

I dont expect folks who are outside the situation to be able to see whether or not he is a manipulator. 

I understand your point of view.

[ReneeIW]

6 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

The guy who killed my brother in law was not repentent. At least, not that I know of. The Lord impressed on me the need to forgive him and pray for him. I dont recall the bible saying its ok not to forgive if they are not sorry.

"If your brother comes to you and REPENTS." 

The Prodigal son repented. 

Christ told the woman caught in adultery not to do it again.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, ReneeIW said:

Recent True Story:

A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife with multiple women. Some of the women are put up in apartments across the country so when he travels, he can be with them. The wife finds out and is asked by the couple's pastor to forgive. She does. He cheats again and she leaves him only to return again after he apologizes and goes to rehab for whatever problems he says is contributing to the cheating. 

 After he has gained her trust, he attempts to cheat again and she finds out about it. In his last effort to save his marriage, he flies in Pastor Anthony Thompson, the pastor whose wife was killed by Dylan Roof in the Charleston Church killings. The husband says that if Pastor Anthony Thompson can forgive the man who killed his wife and the other church goers, than she can certainly forgive him for adultery. And Pastor Anthony Thompson and other members of that church encourage her to forgive. The husband is praised in the paper for holding the event.

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

It is her choice to go back to a marriage of infedility. Life is full of choices. 

[ReneeIW]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

It is her choice to go back to a marriage of infedility. Life is full of choices. 

Yes, but she/they were threatening the women involved to be quiet about the details of his affairs, which included abusing some of the women he was with. I just sometimes feel sorry for the women who are not given the oppurtunity to be angry about being betrayed as well as given the time to heal. They are immediately put on the spot to forgive and get over it.

What will deter the man from doing it again? 

But you are right, it is her choice.