Cunning Manipulation or Christian Contiriton?

[missmuffet]

4 minutes ago, ReneeIW said:

Yes, but she/they were threatening the women involved to be quiet about the details of his affairs, which included abusing some of the women he was with. I just sometimes feel sorry for the women who are not given the oppurtunity to be angry about being betrayed as well as given the time to heal. They are immediately put on the spot to forgive and get over it.

What will deter the man from doing it again? 

But you are right, it is her choice.

There is a lot of evil in our world and some of that evil and disobedience towards God is between men and women and relationships. There are many women who will continue to go back to her husband not matter what he does or how abusive he is. Some of those women may even lose their life.  That is a whole different topic and thread. 

[ReneeIW]

7 minutes ago, Flowersun said:

Isn't this guy being continually encouraged to commit adultery?....all that pain and suffering to continue for his beloved wife....what man of God would do that?

 

 

I think you helped me realize what is bothering me! He is being "encouraged." And you know what? I think that all of the men in the church that are witnessing the praise he is getting for confessing his sins openly(after unsuccessful attempts to cover them up) after cheating on his wife, are also being encouraged to cheat if they want. Lots of men struggle with thoughts of straying. If you can stray, and then be praised just for saying sorry when you get caught, then why not do it?

IMO, the church should not continue to give him a platform. It is tempting other men.

[The_Patriot21]

just because your forgiven doesnt mean you dont have to suffer the consequences. She can forgive him, and boot him to the curb at the same time.

[Tigger56]

6 hours ago, ReneeIW said:

Recent True Story:

A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife with multiple women. Some of the women are put up in apartments across the country so when he travels, he can be with them. The wife finds out and is asked by the couple's pastor to forgive. She does. He cheats again and she leaves him only to return again after he apologizes and goes to rehab for whatever problems he says is contributing to the cheating. 

 After he has gained her trust, he attempts to cheat again and she finds out about it. In his last effort to save his marriage, he flies in Pastor Anthony Thompson, the pastor whose wife was killed by Dylan Roof in the Charleston Church killings. The husband says that if Pastor Anthony Thompson can forgive the man who killed his wife and the other church goers, than she can certainly forgive him for adultery. And Pastor Anthony Thompson and other members of that church encourage her to forgive. The husband is praised in the paper for holding the event.

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

Seems like the common census is manipulation. I agree with this. What the wife needs to know is that there is a difference between forgiveness and restoration. 

[Neighbor]

7 hours ago, ReneeIW said:

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

 

Hardly a doubt about it.

Evidently the wife is manipulative.

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[Neighbor]

Now that I have had my fun, there is a very practical reason  a monogamous person cannot risk adventure with  a person that is not. Physical consequence of  STD.

One may forgive, but one will also eventually suffer the consequences of a mate's infidelities. No profit is to come  of  forgiveness that results in re-union, never ever. Nope, no can do. If the constant humiliations doesn't get  the faithful one the STD will.

There is but one Hosea, and him under command of the LORD for a purpose.

[Neighbor]

3 minutes ago, Flowersun said:

A "True Believer". can "never" lose their salvation...

Ah but, can a believer be untrue?

[Neighbor]

If a person can be untrue to the spouse God has given them, who have they sinned against? is it the spouse alone?

How deep a commitment to turning about to God is there within a person that will cheat their mate? Is there a real turning about or merely a superficial profession,  one without  commencement ( or even commitment)? Hard question with a serious answer for all in all matters of life I suppose.

Sacrifice given willingly and eagerly to  the calls of the flesh to sin against God  again and again and give  battle victories to that which is evil, does result in  shame great shame and much hurt to others and self.  Shame for the Lord of our Shame to have to bear. Whether it be at the Bema judgement or the great white judgement, I  do not cherish facing many a sin committed. I sure won't cherish the realization that my Lord will have suffered on the cross for  sins of such a nature as is being described.

The idea that a pastor has forgiven  or lent his standing  toward asking others to forgive, doesn't remove the suffering of my Lord for it. It is He that covers it for every believer in Him, as their Lord God and savior. Should a believer  go about sinning again and again so that God's suffering mercies may abound? Of course not. Does a church body restore a peson again and again  and again if it is obvious their confession and repentance is a mockery  of them  the mate and  to our Lord?

I suggest there is evidence that there is no contrition nor any repentance in evidence. There is nothing to forgive, forgiveness is not being asked for, instead just excuse given for continuation.

[Behold]

7 hours ago, ReneeIW said:

Recent True Story:

A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife with multiple women. Some of the women are put up in apartments across the country so when he travels, he can be with them. The wife finds out and is asked by the couple's pastor to forgive. She does. He cheats again and she leaves him only to return again after he apologizes and goes to rehab for whatever problems he says is contributing to the cheating. 

 After he has gained her trust, he attempts to cheat again and she finds out about it. In his last effort to save his marriage, he flies in Pastor Anthony Thompson, the pastor whose wife was killed by Dylan Roof in the Charleston Church killings. The husband says that if Pastor Anthony Thompson can forgive the man who killed his wife and the other church goers, than she can certainly forgive him for adultery. And Pastor Anthony Thompson and other members of that church encourage her to forgive. The husband is praised in the paper for holding the event.

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

Lets look at this Thread's topic,  in the context of "marriage".

Now this is going to be more "meat" then i usually deal with when i teach on forums, as i like to keep it simple and all about the Cross.

But, this will be an eye opener for some of you, most probably, and if at first you are lost in wonderland....then give it time, meditate for a bit.... and ask God to show you if you have a real issue with what im about to teach you, regarding "marriage".

What is marriage?   Is it a piece of paper and a vow you make, then a kiss, then a rice party given  on your way to the honeymoon hotel bed.....well, not exactly....

Understand..... "society", regarding "cultures", offer many perceptions regarding what makes a marriage , a real one.

IN Jewish culture, you consummate the physical, (sex)  and that is your real "marriage", that was begun by your vow.

God says regarding marriage....."2 shall become one flesh".   He says nothing about a marriage license..

Now, i know some of you are beginning to strain at the straps already, but let me keep going, and maybe i can get you back in your saddle.

 

Everything that is Truth, is only based on how God defines it.  As Jesus is THE Truth.   And this is Not how my opinion defines it, nor yours, not how the LAW of a country says....."this is the truth".

For example.... when we want to know what "Salvation" means, then we find out what God say it means.. And He says that it means......>"I came to my earth I created, i lived as a righteous man, and i died on The Cross to give you MY RIGHTEOUSNESS in place of your dirty rotten sinning life"..... = My Righteousness for Your unrighteousness" =. My Righteous Life for your unrighteous life, as a GIFT =  The Blood Atonement.

So, that is what God says, so that is what makes it the Absolute TRUTH.

And His conception of marriage is also ONLY the Truth, and the ONLY............And in truth,  its 2 parts.....>"its what God has joined".....and "flesh joining flesh, becoming ONE FLESH".

Marriage is both a spiritual union and a physical union.    Its a covenant between God, Man and Wife that can be broken and undone, before the Divorce papers arrive.

The perfect marriage is God bringing to you, your mate, and you marry them with a lifelong vow and a physical consummation.   But, if God does not bring them to you, and you are not even saved, then the truth of "one flesh", of 2 becoming "one" by SEX, is the same, regarding "marriage".

Paul tells men to not join themselves to a whore, because "you have become ONE FLESH" with her.............understand?   That is marriage, without a vow or a marriage document.

Yeah, i know,  you've not been taught this.....but thats fine.   Now you have.

So, now let me show you something more...

Jesus said....>"except for the cause of FORNICATION".....you are supposed to stay married.   And why did He say that?    Well, i just explained to you that "one flesh" is God's idea of a marriage UNION. (Sex).

So, what happens when a married person, has SEX with another, while STILL married... ?????????????

This is KEY....

There are 2 ways to think about it, and both are valid.   One is.....you have joined your flesh to another, and you now have a 2nd marriage, in God's eyes.   

Or, you can see it this way...... the Fornication has instantly broken your Vow to your mate, and  Divorced you from your husband or wife and joined you to your new sex partner.

Uh huh......just like that......

See, Adam and Eve had no marriage certificate,   You knew that, right?     and when Paul tells you (male) not to JOIN yourself to a whore, its because you are becoming "one flesh" with this whore, same as if you were consummating yourself to your wife or husband on your WEDDING NIGHT...

Uh huh......just like THAT.

So, all this is the answer to the Thread's question.

This woman describe by the Thread's OP.......she is not bound any longer to this lying fornicator......in God's eyes.,      as He has dissolved his UNION with her, when he sexually joined, apparently, quite a few others.

She is free to leave, and free to remarry, after she does it legally, as that is also something that has to be done in all cases like this....., so that everything is " legally correct".

The reality is, he divorced and ended his UNION with her,  the first time he "one fleshed" and joined another....

 

[Neighbor]

Now why did an old early Elvis tune just pop into my head?

"That's all right mama"...

Troubles with the synopsii I guess.