Two Groups of People

[Alive]

11 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I would argue with your premise - I think repenting is what keeps us out of hell.

John---look at the question more closely.

[johnthebaptist]

17 minutes ago, Alive said:

John---look at the question more closely.

I still disagree that a repentant person goes to hell.

[Alive]

38 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I still disagree that a repentant person goes to hell.

Repentance is something we do. Salvation is the ‘Gift’ of Life. Born again.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

I still disagree that a repentant person goes to hell.

Interesting. You make a valid point depending on whether the repentance is the right variety as per 2Co 7:10
(10)  For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world works death.

Not all repentance leads to salvation. The world repents of its failures time and time again with all sorts of pagan rites and rituals. In my formative years I regularly attended the Anglican liturgy, reciting the obligatory Creed, Lord's Prayer and General Confession, all of which are extremely meaningful to the die-hard adherents of this sect and tradition, but for me it was an illusion. Although I tried as hard as I could to mean the words of the Confession, without the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to abide in Christ the following words were only the sorrow of the world...

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From my 11th birthday present in 1965, being one Church of England Book of Common Prayer, referring to The Order of the Administration of the Lord's Supper, or HOLY COMMUNION: [as written]

"Almighty God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Maker of all things, Judge of all men; We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, Which we from time, most grievously have committed, By thought, word, and deed, Against thy Divine Majesty, Provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us. We do earnestly repent and are heartily sorry for these our misdoings; The remembrance of them is grievous unto us; The burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us, Have mercy upon us, most merciful Father; For thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ's sake, Forgive us all that is past; And grant that we may ever hereafter Serve and please thee In newness of life, To the honour and glory of thy Name, Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

 

[johnthebaptist]

29 minutes ago, Alive said:

Repentance is something we do. Salvation is the ‘Gift’ of Life. Born again.

The Lord's forgiveness is a gift. And then we repent.

[Michael37]

6 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

The Lord's forgiveness is a gift. And then we repent.

Actually, yes because our forgiveness was purchased by Christ at His Crucifixion.

1Co 15:3
(3)  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
 

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, Margo1945 said:

I keep reading about how if anyone falls away from the faith and from doing God's Will, they are branded as never being saved in the first place .. I see that as arrogant and pompous of those who think they are the born again saved ones only .. in latter days, many will depart from the faith but such is not possible unless they were part of the faith as one cannot depart from that which one never belonged to .. also, in the lake of fire will be idolaters, adulterers, sexually immoral, etcetra ... and they are branded as the unsaved, too .. on the one hand, many bible passages point to the fact that if one believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, one has eternal life but then, if that one falls away, he/she is branded as having never been saved .. you can't have it both ways .. either the believer was saved or Jesus lied when He said those who believe in Him have eternal life .. as I have repeatedly said, the lake of fire cites those in it .. first is Satan and his fallen angel demons .. second is unbelievers .. third is idolaters, adulterers, sexually immoral, etcetra ... - so, it is obvious about Satan and his demons .. it should, also, be obvious about the unbelievers cited - they are there only for never believing and any sins they committed are irrelevant in that they did not believe so, of course, would not obey God .. sooooooooo, the third group in which so many types of sinners are mentioned must be once born again saved believers who at some point for whatever reason chose to leave God and go their own way doing their own sinful will and never return to God with a changed heart to do His Will, not theirs .. anyway, all those cited sinners "were born again saved" ones who left of their own accord and never returned and three or more passages list them as ones who will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven, so they are unrepentant born again saved persons who threw away their salvation  .. had they repented, they would be in heave for eternity .. thus proving, too, that there will be NO UNREPENTANT SINNERS in Heaven, only REPENTANT ONES .. it is a copout for those claiming to be born again saved to brand those who do not fit into being unbelievers to being "unsaved" .. I really do think those claiming to be born again saved need to take a closer look at what that "really" means as I think most are on the wrong track 

 

“Though we be unfaithful, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL ....He continues in His faithfulness, for He cannot renounce himself....”

A True, Born-Again Believer can fall into error, they can come to believe a lie, they are capable of tremendous stupidity and they can succumb to cowardice, as did Peter when he denied even “ knowing Christ” three times.Peter denied Jesus three times, but did Jesus deny Peter? Of course not.Satan can “ shipwreck” our Faith , But God’s Promises are impossible to shipwreck.He will fulfill them - despite our weaknesses and stupidity.If you ever Once In your life “ came to Him through Faith in His Son” —- HE is the One that made the Promise to “ save to the UTTERMOST” Do you think for a second that God could not look ahead and see how His Children could and would fail him , when He made these Promises? God made the Promises— the Onus is now on Him. He knows how to handle it.Grace sure isn’t fair , is it? That’s the Best News ever for weak, stupid sheep. Like you.It goes double for me.

 

 

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

39 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

that came out wrong .. lol .. I meant don't be too quick to listen to the born again saved when they call such as I legalists as I am not and others like me are not

 

Lol....I hate it when that happens! Take heart! All of my older friends assure me “ it gets worse”...... lol....some friends I got .......

[Michael37]

2 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

“Though we be unfaithful, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL ....He continues in His faithfulness, for He cannot renounce himself....”

A True, Born-Again Believer can fall into error, they can come to believe a lie, they are capable of tremendous stupidity and they can succumb to cowardice, as did Peter when he denied even “ knowing Christ” three times.Peter denied Jesus three times, but did Jesus deny Peter? Of course not.Satan can “ shipwreck” our Faith , But God’s Promises are impossible to shipwreck.He will fulfill them - despite our weaknesses and stupidity.If you ever Once In your life “ came to Him through Faith in His Son” —- HE is the One that made the Promise to “ save to the UTTERMOST” Do you think for a second that God could not look ahead and see how His Children could and would fail him , when He made these Promises? God made the Promises— the Onus is now on Him. He knows how to handle it.Grace sure isn’t fair , is it? That’s the Best News ever for weak, stupid sheep. Like you.It goes double for me.

Yes, Jesus has done everything required to procure salvation for all...

1Pe 1:1-5
(1)  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
(2)  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
(3)  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(4)  To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you,
(5)  Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

… so who is the problem with then??? 

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

How nice that would be if you only had Chapter and Verse to support it.Unfortunately, you don’t and never will. I got my Chapter and verse that proves this is a False Doctrine .Accursed. Damned by God.God help those who preach it . Read the Book of Galations and then tell me where I am wrong.....it’s only six chapters....