How can you have assurance of salvation ?

[johnthebaptist]

28 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Godly repentance leads to salvation. I repented years ago, and was born again.

Now when I sin, I can repent or not repent, but remain saved, because only imperfect saints will be perfected when we meet Jesus.

When we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent?

[Billiards Ball]

58 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

When we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent?

I have reasons:

1) My definition of repentance is biblical, missing the mark, that is, imperfection

2) No one has practical time to repent about imperfect work or anything else, we are to pray without ceasing, not repent without ceasing

3) Repentance led to salvation, it is not how I assure salvation

4) I save repentance for bigger stumbles where relationships are affected or where I need to change my life more significantly/bigger sins

I believe you have a cultic non-standard understanding of repentance that most born agains, evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, etc. lack

[johnthebaptist]

28 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

I have reasons:

1) My definition of repentance is biblical, missing the mark, that is, imperfection

2) No one has practical time to repent about imperfect work or anything else, we are to pray without ceasing, not repent without ceasing

3) Repentance led to salvation, it is not how I assure salvation

4) I save repentance for bigger stumbles where relationships are affected or where I need to change my life more significantly/bigger sins

I believe you have a cultic non-standard understanding of repentance that most born agains, evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, etc. lack

Jesus commanded us not to sin. Is there any reason to disobey?

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

hen we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent?

Blessings John

   What kind of trouble is that? I can understand that when we sin there are consequences for an action or a reprocussion for it .....For example,I steal a candy bar,I get arrested,I feel horrible for having done it & then I have to pay restitution to the store(those are consequences & reprocussions)

   Now,I have question for you....I stole a candy bar ,suffered the same consequences,I feel remorse but I've obviously not yet repented because I do it again and then I got hit by a car & die......what happens to me?

[Billiards Ball]

36 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Jesus commanded us not to sin. Is there any reason to disobey?

Yes! To "not sin" from the Greek is to be PERFECT. That means if I preach for an hour and get a prompt to go a second hour, and say, "No, I need to go do something else now," I've SINNED.

You have Command > Obey Enough > Heaven comes from GOOD WORKS, lawful not sinning.

Bible is ALL disobey including born again believers > trust Jesus to cover your disobedience BEFORE and AFTER being saved > Jesus transforms to perfect LATER.

 

1 John says if you say you have no sin you are a liar and not born again. Are you claiming to be sinless or to sometimes sin, then repent?

[Behold]

3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I disagree. We've all sinned, but Jesus commanded us to repent.

He also commanded us  this way.    "you must be born again"...

So, if you repent, but you are not born again, you are still just as lost as any other follower of the Devil.

Repenting is NOTHING without the New Birth.........nothing.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Behold

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings John

   What kind of trouble is that? I can understand that when we sin there are consequences for an action or a reprocussion for it .....For example,I steal a candy bar,I get arrested,I feel horrible for having done it & then I have to pay restitution to the store(those are consequences & reprocussions)

   Now,I have question for you....I stole a candy bar ,suffered the same consequences,I feel remorse but I've obviously not yet repented because I do it again and then I got hit by a car & die......what happens to me?

If you want to know what kind of trouble you get into when you sin, go ahead sin and find out.

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said:

Yes! To "not sin" from the Greek is to be PERFECT. That means if I preach for an hour and get a prompt to go a second hour, and say, "No, I need to go do something else now," I've SINNED.

You have Command > Obey Enough > Heaven comes from GOOD WORKS, lawful not sinning.

Bible is ALL disobey including born again believers > trust Jesus to cover your disobedience BEFORE and AFTER being saved > Jesus transforms to perfect LATER.

 

1 John says if you say you have no sin you are a liar and not born again. Are you claiming to be sinless or to sometimes sin, then repent?

You sin when, and only when, you break one of the Lord's commandments. Don't be like the Pharisees and make this harder than you have to.

[johnthebaptist]

39 minutes ago, Behold said:

He also commanded us  this way.    "you must be born again"...

So, if you repent, but you are not born again, you are still just as lost as any other follower of the Devil.

Repenting is NOTHING without the New Birth.........nothing.

If you follow Jesus you WILL be born again.

[Behold]

8 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

If you follow Jesus you WILL be born again.

Does that include Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and similar cults?

They all say they are following Him..... and some of these even have the most beautiful statues of His Mother right there beside His Statue, that you've ever seen.

So, i think what you are meaning is .....if we by faith BELIEVE IN JESUS as our Savior, then God will Have us as His own.  (Born again).

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Behold