Crusading

[creativemechanic]

Something that's annoyed me recently  about how sonetimes we Christian (or church affiliated people) react to the actions of people  that we don't approvr of.

People become crusaders and go on quests to attack the person in various ways - shaming them , taking people and public bodies not to associate with them etc. Often times  the persons action may not be a sin, just something we disagree with 

Case in point 

I saw this picture online and it really punched a nerve  with me. I edited it to cover the faces  (whoever posted it had the woman's face clearly displayed w and add the  outer caption.)

 

Assuming that it  even happened in a church, what gives anyone the right  to put the lady's  face online in a meme to shame her for doing something you don't approve of so people can see who she is and what she did.

 We really need to  leave God to handle situations as he sees fit  and but out

 

[AngelInTraining93]

No, that dress is not appropriate to wear in church. You realize the Bible tells us explicitly how women should dress in church, right? The word the Bible uses is "modest" apparel (First Timothy 2:9). "Shaming" her publicly? More like making her aware of what is pleasing to the God she wishes to please...

[creativemechanic]

47 minutes ago, AngelInTraining93 said:

No, that dress is not appropriate to wear in church. You realize the Bible tells us explicitly how women should dress in church, right? The word the Bible uses is "modest" apparel (First Timothy 2:9). "Shaming" her publicly? More like making her aware of what is pleasing to the God she wishes to please...

No its not. They put it on a meme  and posted it online. Thats not making her knoe. That's making a public spectacle of her.

Secondly, is she saved?

Is it at a church? 

Do they know anything about the woman?

Sometimes  we can  become like the pharisees  in that we get so ultra righteous we can fall into sinfulness by trying to force our concept of it in others.

[Neighbor]

Way too much time is being spent doing little pictorials of women in ill fitting attire. It seems almost like there is an obsession to do so. If a woman's, or a man's for that matter, attire bothers me I think I would just turn my attention elsewhere and not make an obsessive avocation out of discussing it and encouraging responses about it. I hope that I would think it my problem and that I need change my own focus.

[LadyKay]

4 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

Something that's annoyed me recently  about how sonetimes we Christian (or church affiliated people) react to the actions of people  that we don't approvr of.

People become crusaders and go on quests to attack the person in various ways - shaming them , taking people and public bodies not to associate with them etc. Often times  the persons action may not be a sin, just something we disagree with 

Case in point 

I saw this picture online and it really punched a nerve  with me. I edited it to cover the faces  (whoever posted it had the woman's face clearly displayed w and add the  outer caption.)

 

Assuming that it  even happened in a church, what gives anyone the right  to put the lady's  face online in a meme to shame her for doing something you don't approve of so people can see who she is and what she did.

 We really need to  leave God to handle situations as he sees fit  and but out

 

Okay. This is a sensitive topic for me due to someone at church  years ago laughing at my cousin for wearing a dress with sneakers to church. We were in our teens and she wanted to go to church with me. She wanted to wear a dress but her dress sandals broke and all she had left was her sneakers.  So she wore them. Then some guy at church laughed at her and make fun of her wearing a dress with sneakers. My cousin got upset and refuse to go back to church until she could get new sandals. I told her to just ignore it but she was hurt and would not go back.   I will never forget that.  So even if I do see someone at church dressed in a way that makes me wonder. I never say anything about it.  You do not know. You do not know that maybe that outfit is the only thing that they had to wear that morning.  Some people need to just shut up and mind their own P's&Q's.   

If.....! If for some reason you can not shut up and you feel you have to say something! Then you kindly take the person aside and talk quietly with them and with kindness. Then you offer to help them.  Take them shopping. Help them pick out an outfit. You do not judge. You do not hurt. You do not talk behind their back or make fun of them.  The World is full of unkind, uncaring people who hurt and love to make fun of others. The church needs to not be like the World, and should not treat people like the World treats them.  

That is just what I think! 

Edited March 7, 2020 by LadyKay

[Neighbor]

6 minutes ago, Godismyloveforever said:

It was pointed out to me several times that you are not supposed to wear socks with sandals. 

Well everybody knows that. Peds are dumber yet.  

Dumbness always needs pointing out. "Hey Stupid" is a good way to start out. It is step two of the five step program to point out stupidity.

[Jayne]

@creativemechanic, I know before I ever click on your threads that I am going to see a cartoon or a photo of a woman dressed inappropriately.   I don't know it you have consciously noticed that, but lots of us here have.  Even if you are making a chastisement of a man - the woman will be dressed in a way she should not be.

Just something I have noticed.

[Jayne]

4 hours ago, AngelInTraining93 said:

No, that dress is not appropriate to wear in church. You realize the Bible tells us explicitly how women should dress in church, right? The word the Bible uses is "modest" apparel (First Timothy 2:9). "Shaming" her publicly? More like making her aware of what is pleasing to the God she wishes to please...

Where does the Bible state with explicitness how long, short, loose, or tight a dress should look on a woman in church?  Where does the Bible say if a dress can be sleeveless or not?

Certainly not 1 Timothy 2.

Paul warns against women wearing three things:

•  overly fancy hair-dos
•  gold and pearls [at that time showing off wealth]
•  and costly, or expensive, clothes

Modesty, according to Paul - in explicit terms - is not showing off your social status or wealth in what you wear to church.  In fact, he says she should be wearing "good works".

A woman should strive to draw attention to Christ, not herself.  But Paul was not and was never talking about "sexy" clothes.  Of course, everyone today thinks it's talking about clothes that turn a man's head.  I'll never convince anyone otherwise and don't know why I am even trying here.

Certainly we know what is appropriate in terms of "how much" clothing a person has on, but Paul does not speak to this.  This is a no-brainer in terms of common sense.

 

[Jayne]

And one more thing that I need to say.

Yes, this dress is too short.  But the average person does not understand that this woman is going to have a great deal of trouble finding a dress that flows over her waist down and fits regularly at the top.  For her dresses to fit properly top and bottom, they are going to have to be made especially for her.

Dresses off the rack will either fit at the top and be skin tight on the bottom or fitting flowingly on the bottom and swallow her whole on top.

This is how God made her, folks.  Not her fault.

She could use some friends - some female friends who would guide her in the area.

[creativemechanic]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

Okay. This is a sensitive topic for me due to someone at church  years ago laughing at my cousin for wearing a dress with sneakers to church. We were in our teens and she wanted to go to church with me. She wanted to wear a dress but her dress sandals broke and all she had left was her sneakers.  So she wore them. Then some guy at church laughed at her and make fun of her wearing a dress with sneakers. My cousin got upset and refuse to go back to church until she could get new sandals. I told her to just ignore it but she was hurt and would not go back.   I will never forget that.  So even if I do see someone at church dressed in a way that makes me wonder. I never say anything about it.  You do not know. You do not know that maybe that outfit is the only thing that they had to wear that morning.  Some people need to just shut up and mind their own P's&Q's.   

If.....! If for some reason you can not shut up and you feel you have to say something! Then you kindly take the person aside and talk quietly with them and with kindness. Then you offer to help them.  Take them shopping. Help them pick out an outfit. You do not judge. You do not hurt. You do not talk behind their back or make fun of them.  The World is full of unkind, uncaring people who hurt and love to make fun of others. The church needs to not be like the World, and should not treat people like the World treats them.  

That is just what I think! 

Exactly