We are still not getting it...... yet.

[Gideon]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

He does so through His Word alone and made living by the Spiritually infused Word of God not by visions and extra revelation as you have claimed...

When we look from a fleshy side this may appear so but when we look from Spiritual side-> Christ The Lord Jesus has already accomplished this in each that hold His Presence by the Holy Spirirt...

I do not look to myself to see perfection I look to the Scriptures and The Holy Spirit that teaches them to me >and< all point me to Jesus
Heb 12:2-9

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
KJV
 

This occurred the moment of my new birth....

 

I respect your choice to disagree. Let us disagree agreeably. If you feel strongly about what you have shared,  you are free to write your own post  sharing what God is showing you. 

blessings,

Gideon

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Jostler said:

oh I'm feeling it.  gettting hungry to experience the reality of the promise that's been there all along.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.  What a hope....we are blessed if we know our need!  Many believers don't know their own lack yet.

[Heleadethme]

2 minutes ago, Gideon said:

I respect your choice to disagree. Let us disagree agreeably. If you feel strongly about what you have shared,  you are free to write your own post  sharing what God is showing you. 

blessings,

Gideon

It helped me to realize that there are a number of "cessationists" on this site....they don't believe the Lord still does miracles or speaks to us apart from the written word today.  That explains why it can sometimes feel like you are talking in a different language with some folks at times.  But we know that Jesus is alive, not dead, He is always working and always speaking.....for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, Gideon said:

I respect your choice to disagree. Let us disagree agreeably. If you feel strongly about what you have shared,  you are free to write your own post  sharing what God is showing you. 

blessings,

Gideon

We are... your expressing your feeling, visions, extra revelation and I am expressing God's Word....    Every post is a community of expression and comment... it's like an old adage if ya can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. What you are writing is error according to God's Word and my post are revealing such... now the question why would you not welcome this? 

[Alive]

None of this is new and requires no special revelation, but has been available to and taught by many over the history of christendom--from the beginning until now. What concerns me because I have seen it before--is when these 'deeper teachings' elevate an individual because he/she believes is 'sent' by God to deliver a 'special message' for the age we live in.

This can be and often starts with subtlety--but never ends there.

If it is a true work of the Holy Spirit, then it will bear fruit. If not then it will either fizzle away or end in the same way that it started. With focus on the "sent one" rather than Christ.

Beware of being more special (speciality) than another member of the Body of Christ.

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, Heleadethme said:

they don't believe the Lord still does miracles

God is still doing miracles but He is not using them to lead people to Himself as clearly outline and testified by Paul the apostle
 

Rom 10:1-17

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV
 

2 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

speaks to us apart from the written word today. 

The Word of God (Scripture Genesis - Revelation) is closed canon... it is satan that wants to open it up in order to take away it's authority by a gnostic spirit... 
 

2 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

But we know that Jesus is alive, not dead, He is always working and always speaking.....for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

Heb 9:14-15

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
KJV

while you say He is mediating to the individual extra biblical revelation God's Word says He is not!
 

[Jostler]

I know this is a season where He is very intent on bringing His Body to the fullness of the maturity He promised for it in Ephesians 4.  And it is not a time to be standing in His way.  Annanias and Saphira made that mistake even as believers, and the Scribes and Pharisees made it as unbelievers.  Both ended up suffering eternally, but in very different ways.  Those Scribes and Pharisees that didn't end up repenting at some point will find the cost to them was an eternity in the lake of fire. Annanias and Saphira will discover their place in His Kingdom is far inferior to what He planned for them, when He plotted out that plan of good works for them to walk in from before the foundation of the world.  It is a costly thing to be taken out before our race is run.   Very costly.  And it represents losses that are eternal...can never be recovered.   It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.  And there is a sin that leads to death of the flesh.  He will take out the rebel child who simply WILL not move on from accepting Him as saviour, to living with Him and knowing Him intimately as Lord.  Saved, but as though by fire....arriving home "naked and smokin' "  so to speak.

We will soon once more begin to realize the fear of a holy God...don't be "that guy".  It's going to hurt.

[simplejeff]

24 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

It helped me to realize that there are a number of "cessationists" on this site....they don't believe the Lord still does miracles or speaks to us apart from the written word today.  That explains why it can sometimes feel like you are talking in a different language with some folks at times.  But we know that Jesus is alive, not dead, He is always working and always speaking.....for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

I don't think 'cess.........'  is a Biblical term describing this.   

 

Rather, as written:   "... having the FORM of religion,   but denying the POWER..."  which was true when written,  and remains true today -

 

God's Word,  and Jesus,   "the same yesterday, today and forever"  ,  as written.  

 

Not subject to the thoughts of men,  nor time,  nor culture.

[enoob57]

25 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Not subject to the thoughts of men,  nor time,  nor culture.

Then why did God write it to us?

[simplejeff]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Then why did God write it to us?

What is written in His Word?    He tells His Purpose in His Word - and it is the same all along - not changing with the whims or thoughts of men.

Men (a few, as written) turn to Him,   or reject His Word (most common),  and His Word is not changed regardless how many turn to Him or reject Him.