How much shaking will it take for His own to finally get it?

[Gideon]

12 minutes ago, Alive said:

You have just erected a straw man that some folks who aren't familiar with scripture may buy into. Romans 11 is Paul talking about a very specific thing and he is clear on it. Israel and the time of the Gentiles.

So now you say that you are not sure if 'this out of context scripture' means a loss of salvation and yet this is what you have been telling folks directly and indirectly for a bunch of threads now. Flooding the forum with these threads.

So--will you recant this error--since you have admitted that you are not sure?

God does not change. The book of Romans was written to Roman gentile believers. The meaning is clear. Some just do not like what it clearly states. The warning is to those Roman gentile believers. No amount of denying it will change that fact. 

If our understanding, our 'theology', contradicts the truth, it is our theology that must bow the knee and come into agreement with the truth. The coming shakings are meant to insure that all who love the Lord re-adjust accordingly as needed. The shakings will accomplish just that, but why would any want to be forced to adbicate their dug-in position when it will simply be far easier and give us far more joy to agree with God now? 

blessings, 

Gideon

[Gideon]

I do not know how much longer I will be here sharing as I have. I would like you to remember one thing as things close in and darkness increases. 

God has provided a way for each one of us to walk as an overcomer. It is not based upon how strong or weak you are. It is not based upon how much Bible knowledge you possess.  It is based solely on your hunger to please God and your understanding that you need a miracle to walk in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil. 

God says "Ask of the Lord rain in the time of the latter rain". I love the verse found in Ezekiel 36, where after telling us that the new covenant will not only supply us with forgiveness IF we sin, it will also insure we will be brought to actually obey Him. Glory! This is the verse. I pray it is burned into your memory banks, lol. 

“Thus saith the Lord God: I will yet for this be inquired of by the house of Israel to do it for them. I will increase them with men like a flock."

Ezekiel 36:37 

Ask and you shall receive, thst your. joy might be full. Amen? AMEN!!

blessings to all,  

Gideon

[warrior12]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

You keep repeating much the same thing, not understanding that folks aren't pushing back against some of the things you type, but they are pushing back against 'you' and some of the things you are saying. The saints recognize when something is a bit off kilter.

Please read my last post again and answer for us.

You have said that if folks don't do as you say, they will lose their salvation and that God has sent you to give this special message.

Do you not see that this makes 'you' the focus. I counsel you to point folks to Christ and trust Him to deal with each of His sons. Sons who are at every point possible in their particular walk and learning from Him as sons do. Some of the things you are saying are in the realm of discipling and you cannot do that on a forum. That takes a shepherd who meets each one where they are and patiently 'shows' them Christ and watches with wonder as the Holy Spirit does His work.

Like you I and a few others have been through this conversation with Gideon in post after post and it is repetitive.  I think it was about two years or so that this took place and Gideon mentioned some things that I have not seen posted with the current threads.   So, I will give a brief summary what I remembered about him explaining his new found freedom from sin ect.

He said he was addicted to porn for about 30 yrs and did all the things that that Christians would do i.e sin, ask for forgiveness and sin again and the cycle continued.  Until one day he had an encountered with Jesus in person.  I don't have the details as to how it happened, but from then on his life changed radically and sin was virtually eliminated from his life.  Maybe Gideon can retell the encounter he had and how it all happened.  I am not sure  if he is still getting his revelation and if they are prophetic ect, as only he can explain those things .

I did not want to get into these threads as I said I have been through the conversations before.   

I think Gideon mean well to encourage the saints to live a Godly life.  My questions to him and others that supported his theology, is why ask for forgiveness when you pray then as it is not needed, as in essence they are living sinless lives and the Lord did teach us how to pray and ask us to forgive and be forgiven.

The thing is , every believer is at different stages in his life and walk and will go through trials and difficulties and lessons will be learned ect. It is the process of sanctification that is at work and only the Lord knows every man heart and  intentions.   

I don't want to get  back on these threads as they are rhetorical . I wrote this here mainly as I think Gideon should explain fully to how he came to his convictions and his experiences to you folks so that you can get a bigger picture of where he is at.   I get the feeling that some that follow him thinks he is a prophet of some sort and they know about his meeting Jesus story and thus it goes on.  

I don't know if his stories are true, only that every man will have to give an account for what they did here. [ I mean on earth]

Edited April 19, 2020 by warrior12

[Behold]

3 hours ago, Gideon said:

Brother, for some, it indeed is a license to continue on in the fleshly nature.

That is not true. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Its a fact that everyone Like You,  who declares that there is a group "out there somewhere" who are teaching "license to sin",  can't name a person, a pastor,  a church, a denomination, a TV Ministry, or a Forum Member, who has ever taught this or believes it.

Its just phony fleshy  innuendo tossed out as if its a fact.

Nothing more and nothing less.

Edited April 19, 2020 by George
Removed personal innuendoes that distract from the discussion at hand.

[Alive]

@warrior12Gideon has mentioned this at least once about his issues with porn and such.

I am new to Christian Forums and perhaps have much to learn regarding how to respond to certain things. I will say, however, that much of my typing is aimed at the folks who are reading these threads. Some things need to be tempered and some things need to be fought back against with 'energy'.

These threads are subtle, but confuse new saints not well grounded in Grace.

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

Like you I and a few others have been through this conversation with Gideon in post after post and it is repetitive.  I think it was about two years or so that this took place and Gideon mentioned some things that I have not seen posted with the current threads.   So, I will give a brief summary what I remembered about him explaining his new found freedom from sin ect.

He said he was addicted to porn for about 30 yrs and did all the things that that Christians would do i.e sin, ask for forgiveness and sin again and the cycle continued.  Until one day he had an encountered with Jesus in person.  I don't have the details as to how it happened, but from then on his life changed radically and sin was virtually eliminated from his life.  Maybe Gideon can retell the encounter he had and how it all happened.  I am not sure  if he is still getting his revelation and if they are prophetic ect, as only he can explain those things .

I did not want to get into these threads as I said I have been through the conversations before.   

I think Gideon mean well to encourage the saints to live a Godly life.  My questions to him and others that supported his theology, is why ask for forgiveness when you pray then as it is not needed, as in essence they are living sinless lives and the Lord did teach us how to pray and ask us to forgive and be forgiven.

The thing is , every believer is at different stages in his life and walk and will go through trials and difficulties and lessons will be learned ect. It is the process of sanctification that is at work and only the Lord knows every man heart and  intentions.   

I don't want to get  back on these threads as they are rhetorical . I wrote this here mainly as I think Gideon should explain fully to how he came to his convictions and his experiences to you folks so that you can get a bigger picture of where he is at.   I get the feeling that some that follow him thinks he is a prophet of some sort and they know about his meeting Jesus story and thus it goes on.  

I don't know if his stories are true, only that every man will have to give an account for what they did here. 

That is a fair request. i pray you do not mind if I copy my testimony here for all to read. The last time I did so, I was accused of plagiarism, lol, but this indeed was my experience and occurred just as it is shared. 

My Miraculous Visitation

 I was saved by a true miracle on Christmas Eve, 1970. Having been a porn addict since I was an early teen, and then finally saved 21, I had high hopes that my addiction would be a thing of the past. I was wrong. For the next 3 and a half decades, I was the poster boy for Romans 7. I hated my sin. I loved my sin. 

 Oh, I did not go down swinging. I tried everything I knew to finally walk as I knew deep inside a God wanted me to. I prayed, I fasted, I memorized large portions of the Word. I became a home pastor in my large Charismatic church. But in the end, my undefeated addiction just left me angry, judgmental, legalistic, disillusioned and tired of life. And dog tired of failing the God who loved me.

 One night, I reached my end. I literally had nothing else that I knew of to try, to hope for, that would perhaps lead me to the ‘free indeed’ I saw so clearly promised in His Word. In tears and desperation, I cried out to God, not knowing what else to do. I had no more answers, no more new things to try, no more resolutions to make, no more leaves to turn over. And then it happened. God appeared to me. Yes, visibly.

 LOL, I can see the eye-rolls now. And before any asks what He looked like, let me say this. I haven’t a clue. His golden light, brighter than the sun, put me on my face, trembling.  I dared not look up. And then He spoke. Yes, audibly. 

 He said:

  “My son, for this I am well pleased with you.”

 Confused? LOL. Yeah, me too. For 38 years, I had tried desperately to feel like God not only loved me but was pleased with me as well.  But no matter what Paul told us in Romans 8 that there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus, it was almost all I ever felt. Guilt, failure and condemnation. If I gave, even out of my lack, I should have given more. If I read ten chapters in the Word, it should have been twenty. Even mowing my own lawn made me feel like I was taking care of my kingdom, not His. Can you say ‘miserable’? That was me.

 And now, at my lowest point of failure, admitting my powerlessness and hating my life, now He comes and tells me He was pleased with me? Now?? It made no sense, none, until the next words He spoke....

 “I knew all along that you could not walk the walk I had for you, but you did not yetknow it.” 

 Did you catch that key word…. yet?☺  You see,  I finally knew it. I had finally, after almost four decades of trying to die to my sin-loving self, been brought to the point I had NO confidence in the flesh that was my prison.  It was inescapable if it depended on me. 

 But the Lord did not stop there. He continued, asking me a question.... 

 “In all your efforts to walk pleasing to me, did you ever do as I instructed you to do through my servant Paul?”

 My mind reeled, wondering what He was referring to. But then, in an instant, He simply took my blinders off and let me see what He was talking about. The key to my cell door swinging open was found in Romans 6.

And as I opened my Bible, I sat dumbfounded at the secret, the key to my being able to walk as an overcomer that had been hiding from me all those years, all while it was in plain sight. 

 Here in Romans 6,  Paul tells us that there are two truths we must know. 

 1) When Christ died, so DID we. 

 2) When Christ rose from the dead, so DID we. 

 I can hear the nay-sayers now. LOL “That’s it?? That’s the secret?” Not yet. What did Paul tell us next? What was the instruction he gave to us concerning these two truths that were etched in the stone foundations of Heaven?

Likewise (in the same way) reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: 

 but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

 Romans 6:10-13

 I pray your ears are open. He gave us  instructions…. Something to DO. (And no, it is not works) Our God tells us to hear this truth, embrace it as YOUR truth, do not let go of it, and He promises us, our walk will never be the same, for this is the path to our being set FREE INDEED. 

 You see, I had memorized these verses. I knew Romans 6-8 were profound central chapters to a full understanding of the gospel and had to hold the secret to victory that I had long sought. But..... never, not once..... had I actually done what those words from the Lord had been telling me to DO. I had never reckoned that those two truths were MY truths. I had never appropriated  the victory He had bought for us as MY victory. I always hoped for those results, but hope is not faith. Faith calls those things that are not as though they are. Faith, real genuine faith, must always be NOW faith. 

 So what did I do? Through my tears, my awe, my joy, my shaking knees, I  spoke. Out loud. LOUDLY out loud. I reckoned that the old me was dead. Not needing to die. DEAD. I reckoned that I was a brand new creature with a brand new heart, a heart that sin had no authority over. I died to sin once...ONCE.... just as God had instructed us. 

 And having done so, praise God, I yielded myself to God, but this time I did it differently. Previously, I would try to give myself to God, but as the mess, the failure, the sinful worm that I knew I was.  

 But that is not what God asked for, was it? He said that we are to, now, because of what Christ had accomplished for us, yield ourselves to God in faith, faith that what He said was true was true for US, right now, this very day. We are to yield ourselves as those who are alive from the dead. Whoa. No more worm. Butterfly! 

 And when I did, something deep inside began bubbling up inside me. Joy. Freedom.  God caused my faith that had laid there as an small but all-sufficient seed of God’s nature in me,  to begin sprouting. Why? I had finally held up my shield of faith and, praise God, what I found was that satan’s arrows truly were extinguished. I tasted freedom that night for the first time, and it was.... and is.... glorious. 

 This is NOT sinless perfectionism of which I constantly share. It is truly the beginning of the sanctification process, not the end. I have far, far to go in my walk with the Lord. I pray the lack and weaknesses others still see in me do not hinder their belief that God can set them free as well. But I would be remiss if I did not also tell you that the changes that He has brought about in me stagger even my imagination as to what God has done by dwelling IN me by faith. 

 I have much more to share concerning the last thirteen years. I pray God continues to give me opportunity to share with you what He continues to show me and to teach me. Thank you all for bearing with this long testimony.

 Know this. Your weakness, your addiction to sin.... they are actually a gift from God. I can hear you laughing, lol. But I am quite serious. Who is it that can believe such amazing things? The desperate man.  The man who has no strength, and KNOWS IT.  The man who has come to the point that he has NO confidence in the flesh. The one who has come to the blessed point that he HATES his life and finally is willing to look away from Him to the God who longs to deliver him from evil. 

 What God has shown me He is now showing you. This walk of victory over the world and its endless pull, the flesh and its lusts and unbounded self-love, and the devil and his endless temptations and accusations, it is your birthright, already purchased, already given.

Your weakness is not the hinderance you have thought it was. It is rather your key to crossing over from the wilderness to the land of promise. You see, your awareness of your fallen nature and your absolute inability to ever overcome it are what make you perfectly fit to receive it. Glory! 

 Can our God be THAT good? Oh, yes dear brothers and sisters! Can He truly set us free indeed, despite our weakness, our past sins, our addictions? There is no doubt about it. Our God’s goodness is stronger than our badness and it is high time we get our eyes off of our insufficiency and onto His ability to turn those with no strength into overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil himself.  

 God is about to do a work in our day that if our eyes did not see it, we would never believe it. He is going to separate the wheat from the tares, and prepare His own for our soon-coming wedding. Are you tired of going through the motions, feeling deep down you are missing something? Then buckle up, for God is about to blow your mind and fill your heart to overflowing with the joy of your FULL salvation. 

 

 Well, there you have it. I have been changed, transformed, from an angry, sin bound, judgmental legalist, serving a hard God, into one who actually likes who he sees in the mirror. That, brothers and sisters is a flat out miracle. I find it comedic that I am often portrayed as a legalist, lol. If you have issues with me now, you REALLY would have had issues with me thirteen years ago! 

I have not 'arrived'. I am simply running my course, fighting my good fight of faith, becoming more and more established in the faith. Do I need more fruits of the Spirit? Absolutely! But  I would also be remiss if if I did not glorify God as to the changes He has already wrought, for when one is fruitless for as many years as I  was, any fruits are a plum miracle! ?

blessings, 

Gideon

Edited April 19, 2020 by Gideon

[Behold]

47 minutes ago, Gideon said:

 

God has provided a way for each one of us to walk as an overcomer. It is not based upon how strong or weak you are. It is not based upon how much Bible knowledge you possess.  It is based solely on your hunger to please God and your understanding that you need a miracle to walk in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil. 

 

Isn't The Grace of God the miracle?

Isn't Jesus the miracle of all miracles?

No offense, but you dont need a miracle when you are already given one.  Thats the Grace of God.

You dont need a miracle to stop sinning, you just need to find out WHY you can, and how to do it.

Talking about how it should be, and why it should be, and that it should be, is not showing anyone HOW.

Jesus said this...>"apart from ME, you can do NOTHING".  So, you can't strive against sin to stop sinning.  You can't resist sin to stop sinning, You can't pray hard enough or grit your teeth long enough to stop sinning.  You can repent and confess till you are in an exhausted coma from doing it, and you'll come out of the coma and want to sin.

The only way to stop sinning is to Rest in the Grace of God that frees you from the self effort that is causing you to WANT TO SIN MORE.

Its the resisting in your own power that inflames your passion to WANT the SIN.  

What is the "curse of the law"?  The curse of the law, is that you have no power to stop sinning or to want to stop sinning, yet the law tells you to stop, and you cant.. And the more you try, the worse it gets, and you end up in a constant sinning, repenting, confessing, yet wanting to sin, GUILT TRIP LIFESTYLE... of torment.  TORMENT.

So, the answer is not found in your sincere EFFORT TO STOP.

The deliverance from WANTING to sin......as that is the problem...... is found when you realize who you are in Christ, and allow the GRACE of God to be your deliverance.

This can help..

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Behold

[Not me]

3 hours ago, Gideon said:

How can a man believe God causes him to walk in full faith if........

If~~~~ Whatever is on the other side of the if, matters not, because God is on the former side.. 

When one learns this, peace, joy, victory in Christ will they know to a degree that will put a permanent smile in their heart..

Be blessed in the seeing and understanding of this truth, Not me 

[warrior12]

33 minutes ago, Gideon said:

That is a fair request. i pray you do not mind if I copy my testimony here for all to read. The last time I did so, I was accused of plagiarism, lol, but this indeed was my experience and occurred just as it is shared. 

If my memory serve me right, I think those were the words that you said in our last conversations and thank you for the revelation .  Just one question and I would leave it at that as, I really not going back into the conversation as my walk is what it is and I have to deal with the issues of life, both spiritual and physical as it comes .

The question is this. Does God still appears to you today and do you still hear his voice audibly, or was that a one time incident ?.

[Gideon]

59 minutes ago, Not me said:

If~~~~ Whatever is on the other side of the if, matters not, because God is on the former side.. 

When one learns this, peace, joy, victory in Christ will they know to a degree that will put a permanent smile in their heart..

Be blessed in the seeing and understanding of this truth, Not me 

This sounds spiritual but Paul addresses this very thing.

How can men believe unless there is a preacher. And how can he preach unless he is sent? 

God has ordained that it is to be through men that the gospel is spread and believed. There is no doubt thst God can make rocks sing praises and trees speak the story of His redeeming grace, but He has chosencto do it through mere men. 

blessings,

Gideon.