Pre-Wrath Rapture

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Paul did not need to read the book of Revelation to understand this?  Paul knew what the sound of the Shofar represents and about what the Feast of Trumpets represents in the Last Days (call to war and also a call to gather his people).  Even today in synagogues Jews sound the Shofar to represents the gathering of God's people.  Plus, Jesus spoke about this final trumpet final gathering at his return.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. - Mat 24:29-31 KJV

 

I don't know. Spock may be right now. Paul could not have the capable means to know the future without John's guidance. 

Who does Paul think he is to think that he could know the future? Much less what the last trump is or what would take place in that time or age. 

Spock has spoken. 

If Spock says Paul can't know the future then Paul can't know the future. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

On 9/1/2020 at 9:02 AM, Spock said:

So far imo this post is the best because it is a game changer. You make perfect sense in saying ....how could the last trump cited by Paul be the same as the 7th trumpet of Revelation when Revelation was written some 40 years later?  How could Paul’s Corinthian audience have known this?  They couldn’t. COMMON SENSE FELLOWS....please don’t let your agenda and biases remove your common sense. 
 

Therefore, by the power vested in me I proclaim......from here on going forward No one shall ever associate Paul’s last Trump with the 7th trumpet of Revelation. So let it be written, so let it be done! 
 

Ambassador Spock
 

 

That's right spock. It's common sense. Paul don't know nothing. He could not know anything about a last trump cause Paul doesn't know anything about trumps. Paul can't know cause Paul just don't know. 

It's common sense. Pure common sense to know that Paul don't know anything. 

[The Light]

On 9/1/2020 at 8:02 AM, Spock said:

So far imo this post is the best because it is a game changer. You make perfect sense in saying ....how could the last trump cited by Paul be the same as the 7th trumpet of Revelation when Revelation was written some 40 years later?  How could Paul’s Corinthian audience have known this?  They couldn’t. COMMON SENSE FELLOWS....please don’t let your agenda and biases remove your common sense. 
 

Therefore, by the power vested in me I proclaim......from here on going forward No one shall ever associate Paul’s last Trump with the 7th trumpet of Revelation. So let it be written, so let it be done! 
 

Ambassador Spock
 

 

Welcome back MR SPOCK. So you FINALLY show up with some logic. The spores expelled from those flowers appeared to have their hold on you. Now you are free. Take the bridge Mr. Spock.

[Omegaman 3.0]

15 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Who does Paul think he is to think that he could know the future? Much less what the last trump is or what would take place in that time or age. 

Oh, I don't know, just an apostle chosen by Christ, taught by Him for three years, and the one who is called the apostle to the Gentiles, to whom even Peter apparently took corrections, and about whose writings Peter said:

"which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Yeah, nobody special!

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Oh, I don't know, just an apostle chosen by Christ, taught by Him for three years, and the one who is called the apostle to the Gentiles, to whom even Peter apparently took corrections, and about whose writings Peter said:

"which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Yeah, nobody special!

You have to just let some things go. That's a problem I have. I should just ignore when someone like Spock says Paul couldn't know about the seventh trump which just happens to be the last trump and says it's common sense but I can't just ignore it. 

I guess you could say I was trying to get Spock to realize how doubtful he appears by agreeing with him that Paul could not possibly know what he says he does. 

I need to just learn how to ignore stupid posts. 

 

[Spock]

17 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I don't know. Spock may be right now. Paul could not have the capable means to know the future without John's guidance. 

Who does Paul think he is to think that he could know the future? Much less what the last trump is or what would take place in that time or age. 

Spock has spoken. 

If Spock says Paul can't know the future then Paul can't know the future. 

Shilohsfoal, 

I’m honored by your confidence and wisdom you displayed in this post. I have dubbed it “Best post of the day“....and I greatly rewarded you for such. 
 

in all humility,

spock

[Spock]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Welcome back MR SPOCK. So you FINALLY show up with some logic. The spores expelled from those flowers appeared to have their hold on you. Now you are free. Take the bridge Mr. Spock.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you for honoring me as well as missing me. I apologize for letting the natives run wild here in my absence. I will try to do better to keep things balanced here by being around a bit more. 
 

your humble servant,

spock

[Spock]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

That's right spock. It's common sense. Paul don't know nothing. He could not know anything about a last trump cause Paul doesn't know anything about trumps. Paul can't know cause Paul just don't know. 

It's common sense. Pure common sense to know that Paul don't know anything. 

I suppose you could fantasize what truth one wants to believe but it is not logical for me to think Jesus pulled Paul aside in 35 AD to tell him about these 7 trumpets john is going to write about in 60 years.  No, I think Jesus had a lot more important things to discuss with him, including revealing the mystery of the rapture. 

 If you believe that, did Jesus or God the father ever tell any OT prophet about the Church or the Rapture?  If not, why not?  I believe there is a time and place to tell all.....John was the chosen one to write Revelation, not Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and not Paul. .  Paul was not given all the truth as well, but he was certainly given enough. 
 

Im very serious when I say....it makes more sense to associate the “last Trump” with Donald Trump than to associate the “last  Trump” with the 7th trumpet of Revelation.  Please use common sense and LOGIC HERE. And it’s okay to admit you were wrong in your thinking....I humble myself like that all the time. We are all still learning....no one has received it all yet, no one. 
 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, Spock said:

Shilohsfoal, 

I’m honored by your confidence and wisdom you displayed in this post. I have dubbed it “Best post of the day“....and I greatly rewarded you for such. 
 

in all humility,

spock

I should have expected nothing less. 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, Spock said:

I suppose you could fantasize what truth one wants to believe but it is not logical for me to think Jesus pulled Paul aside in 35 AD to tell him about these 7 trumpets john is going to write about in 60 years.  No, I think Jesus had a lot more important things to discuss with him, including revealing the mystery of the rapture. 

 If you believe that, did Jesus or God the father ever tell any OT prophet about the Church or the Rapture?  If not, why not?  I believe there is a time and place to tell all.....John was the chosen one to write Revelation, not Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and not Paul. .  Paul was not given all the truth as well, but he was certainly given enough. 
 

Im very serious when I say....it makes more sense to associate the “last Trump” with Donald Trump than to associate the “last  Trump” with the 7th trumpet of Revelation.  Please use common sense and LOGIC HERE. And it’s okay to admit you were wrong in your thinking....I humble myself like that all the time. We are all still learning....no one has received it all yet, no one. 
 

 

Paul was a pharisee and studied more scripture than you and I combined. Now before Paul's conversion by Christ, Paul was obviously blind, but as scripture shows Christ opened Paul's eyes to see all that he had ever studied before. 

Now concerning what God had told Israel about the church. He told them about everything. The prophets sent to Israel prophecied of the resurrection of the church and of the high priest which is Christ. Christ and the church are found throughout the old testiment and Paul understood that. 

So why don't you understand it? 

https://biblehub.com/romans/15-4.htm

"everything which was written in the past was written to teach us" 

So why is it Paul could understand the last trump and you can't? Is it be because Paul has been taught by the things written in the past and you havnt? 

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by Shilohsfoal