2021 Rapture

[iamlamad]

21 hours ago, JohnD said:

Matthew 24:21 (AV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation,

such as was not since the beginning of the world

to this time,

no,

nor ever shall be.

Shoots down the 2000 year tribulation interpretation.

Agreed: RM missed the most important part: the days of GT that Jesus spoke of will start ONLY after the abomination that divides the week! In other words, ONLY sometime in the last half of the future 70th week.  Why can't people just read and understand simply scriptures?

[iamlamad]

On 4/8/2020 at 9:48 AM, RonaldBruno said:

IF the seventh trumpet is the last trumpet (which I lean towards), then it is a Mid-Trib/Pre-Wrath view.

However, God shows us what each individual trumpet represents but that does not necessarily mean they are blown separately with much time in between each. They could be blown rapidly and then the events obviously overlap and accumulate. If this was so, the seventh/last trumpet would then be Pre-Trib. No one can be sure of this. There is the 5th trumpet which has a 5 month time span of demon locusts torturing the unbelievers who have the mark of the Beast. Apparently, we are still in this GT since many do not have the mark and are passed over. ??? 

Sorry, but ALL the trumpet judgments are future: they are not going to start until the 7th seal is opened, and it cannot be opened until the 6th seal is opened. And the 6th seal is not going to be opened until the pretrib rapture moves the church to the safety of heaven.

[iamlamad]

On 4/8/2020 at 9:41 AM, JohnD said:

When we divide the 70th Week of Daniel properly,

the solution to PRE MID POST trib rapture is clear.

The 70th Week of Daniel is TWO 3.5 year tribulation(S)

NOT one 7 year tribulation...

A believer's tribulation (Revelation 3:10a / Revelation 12:17 / Revelation 13:5-18) in the first half

and the Great Tribulation in the second half (Matthew 24:21, Revelation 3:10b, etc.)

The rapture will take place on day 1335 of the 2520 day 70th Week of Daniel.

Daniel 12: (AV)
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

This will occur 105 days after the temple sacrifice is abated 1290 days from the end of time:

Daniel 12: (AV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

Readers, no need to read any further: This is myth and his whole post is therefore based on a MYTH. 

The correct terminology is the 7th week of Daniel, NOT "the trib" as so many wish to call it. 

The "70th week" is a seven year period of time (he got this part right) of 2520 days, but divided into two halves - not by different tribulations as this writer suggests, but by ONE EVENT: the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is the God of the Jews, and this event will stop the daily sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27. It will divide the week into two halves.

The 7th trumpet will sound in heaven to mark the moment the man of sin enters the Holy of Holies and declares he is God.

The first 6 trumpet judgments come in the first half of the week; the 7 vials come in the last half of the week.

NO trumpet will sound until all 7 seals are opened first so that the BOOK can be opened: the 70th week is what is written INSIDE the book.  

The 7th seal cannot be opened (so that the book can be opened) until first the 6th seal is opened: this seal begins the Day of the Lord.  And the 6th seal is future to us today. The church has been waiting all this time at the 5th seal for the martyrs of the church age. 

It will be the pretrib rapture that ENDS the church age and makes that final church age martyr. Paul's rapture then, comes a moment before the start of the Day of the Lord, Just as Paul shows us.

In other words, readers, the chart is imagination, not scripture.

Edited April 9, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

On 4/7/2020 at 3:49 PM, Behold said:

"pauline take on the Gospels"?

There is no such thing.

Also, The Gospel that we understand as "the preaching of the Cross", "the gift of righteousness" "justification by Faith", "Faith is counted as Righteousness", ALL came thru Paul from CHRIST.  Everything we understand about Church Doctrine, came from Paul.

It was Peter in 2nd Peter who had Paul's letters, and said they are equal to the TORAH.....and that is a JEW, an Apostle, saying that Paul's words were SCRIPTURE, before a Greek Text came into this world to create a BIBLE.

So, as you have rejected all this, as "whatever", then im sure you wont mind if i would reject your teaching, as there is no way, NO WAY, that God will give you anything, when you Reject the very person that God called to give you the NT.....nearly all of it.

I have no idea what you think there is other then the "Pauline way", but i assume you mean Jehovah's witness, or Scientology, or Mormonism, as there is such thing as a true bible believer who discounts Paul as you just did.

Sorry, no.

It must have gone right over his head that we are to be judged by Paul's gospel!

[RonaldBruno]

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but ALL the trumpet judgments are future: they are not going to start until the 7th seal is opened, and it cannot be opened until the 6th seal is opened. And the 6th seal is not going to be opened until the pretrib rapture moves the church to the safety of heaven.

I apologize, don't know what got into me - must have lost my mind?

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, RonaldBruno said:

I apologize, don't know what got into me - must have lost my mind?

I would not go that far!  ;-)

[Behold]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It must have gone right over his head that we are to be judged by Paul's gospel!

Well, thank God that it didn't go over yours or mine or some others here.

And He is not familiar with your verse, as Paul wrote it, and He has an issue with this Apostle to the Gentiles.

So, to have that big of an issue, is to manifest a much  bigger issue with The Grace of God, that was GIVEN by Christ Thru Paul, to the "church"

[iamlamad]

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

Well, thank God that it didn't go over yours or mine or some others here.

And He is not familiar with your verse, as Paul wrote it, and He has an issue with this Apostle to the Gentiles.

So, to have that big of an issue, is to manifest a much  bigger issue with The Grace of God, that was GIVEN by Christ Thru Paul, to the "church"

Truth. As Gentile Christians we should concentrate our bible study on the Pauline epistles. They are all written right to us.

[Behold]

11 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Truth. As Gentile Christians we should concentrate our bible study on the Pauline epistles. They are all written right to us.

Paul's epistles are the "bullseye" regarding the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as the NT.

Peter said that Paul's epistles were equal to the Torah.  Both are "scripture"., and He said that considering that Paul was not one of the original "12".

A question that only God and Christ can answer for you, once you meet them, is...>"why did you teach the Body of Christ all your Church Doctrine using a man who didnt actually walk with Jesus as one of His chosen, but was originally a devout Christ hater?

Thats a good question...

Perhaps the answer is a few things.   One, it was Paul who said he was the "chief of sinners", and perhaps that is true to him, when he considered that He helped facilitate the murder of many Believers.

It could be added that Paul said He, as a Pharisee, kept the law perfectly.   He said that.  He said that he was perfect in the law, "blameless".... and that is pretty amazing.

Also, Paul was an extreme intellectual.

So, maybe God wanted an original Christ hater, who is a  chief of sinners who was blameless in the Law, whose IQ was off the chart...., and could not find one of these in the original 12.

Maybe God wants to show us that when we give God our Faith, He will take the worst of us and transform us all into a Trophy of God's Amazing Grace.

Such is Paul.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Behold

[JohnD]

7 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Readers, no need to read any further: This is myth and his whole post is therefore based on a MYTH. 

The correct terminology is the 7th week of Daniel, NOT "the trib" as so many wish to call it. 

The "70th week" is a seven year period of time (he got this part right) of 2520 days, but divided into two halves - not by different tribulations as this writer suggests, but by ONE EVENT: the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is the God of the Jews, and this event will stop the daily sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27. It will divide the week into two halves.

The 7th trumpet will sound in heaven to mark the moment the man of sin enters the Holy of Holies and declares he is God.

The first 6 trumpet judgments come in the first half of the week; the 7 vials come in the last half of the week.

NO trumpet will sound until all 7 seals are opened first so that the BOOK can be opened: the 70th week is what is written INSIDE the book.  

The 7th seal cannot be opened (so that the book can be opened) until first the 6th seal is opened: this seal begins the Day of the Lord.  And the 6th seal is future to us today. The church has been waiting all this time at the 5th seal for the martyrs of the church age. 

It will be the pretrib rapture that ENDS the church age and makes that final church age martyr. Paul's rapture then, comes a moment before the start of the Day of the Lord, Just as Paul shows us.

In other words, readers, the chart is imagination, not scripture.

No myth. Scripture quotes.

Beware people like this chap who emphasize subjective prophecies over

direct (objective) quotes from scripture.

Trumpets, seals, bowls vials...

WHEN these events actually happen THEN we will understand them.

The Bible teaches believers will have tribulation 42 months under the beast (Revelation 13:5-18)

he will abate temple sacrifice (Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11) in the middle of the last seven years...

Again... Holy Spirit interpreted scripture verified objective quotes from scripture

rather than human interpreted supposition / predetermination over what the third tow nail on the

dragon means.