Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, *Zion* said:

The writers of the scriptures did not work this independently of the Word that God had already spoken beforehand.  The Word, Yehoshua Himself is what every letter of scripture bears testimony of.  The Spirit bears strong witness and complete and accurate confirmation of the Word.

The scriptures and later editors were all guided by the Spirit. Find out HOW we got the scripture from scholars that have studied ancient scripts all their lives. You will be surprised if you study it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqhfsMuGF0c

How we got the Tanakh.

[*Zion*]

1 minute ago, dhchristian said:

Enoob,

It is when you say things like this that you sound like a scribe. Our faith is in the Person Jesus Christ, Not a book. He is the Gospel, He is a Person, and He reaches out to His own and draws them to the Truth of His Word. He is the Word of God. He is the Gospel. He is the Spirit and we worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. The real question to ask is "Do you Know Him?" 

For centuries in church History, Many in the church did not have the Bible to read as it was not translated into their common languages, and or they just were illiterate. So is Christianity something they cannot find because they cannot read the Word? We in this Generation have more bibles in more languages than ever before, and illiteracy is hardly an issue these days, But does that make us more Spiritual of a generation than those before us? 

The Word of God is the Sword of Spirit. If the Spirit is not wielding the sword, then the Words therein become just words, you cannot separate the two, like you are trying to do. 

I pray these words reach the Spirit in you, In Jesus Name, and for His Glory. Amen. <><

There is literally nothing wrong with being a scribe.  The scribes studied the Word of God.  The scribes that were reffered to in Jesus' time on earth were judged by the Lord as being hypocrites.  However I think you will find that it is completely possible that there were some scribes at that time who were not hypocritical.  I don't see anything hypocritical in saying that we are ALL subject to the word of God.  You can have the Word of God written in your heart as well as written in the bible but it MUST be the word of God or it profits nothing.

No one is against the Spirit of God bearing witness to the Word, what Enoob is simply stating is that it takes God's Word to convert a person, not just a spiritual experience, and that believing such a thing is a danger.  The Holy Spirit and the Word of God go hand in hand, we should not be choosing between them but relying upon them both.  Why are people trying to pit them against each other?  They are part of the Trinity, they are as one.  Why are people having a problem with that???

[Justin Adams]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is funny that folk who follow this do not observe the Sabbath often.

They also do not read the works that Yeshua and the apostles read and some are contained in the Septuagint that was later outlawed by the Rabbis and the Reformers. Hence the quotes from Enoch and other non canon books by the apostles cannot be found in the reformed canon.. HMMM???

ALL scripture is given by the Holy Spirit of God for our learning, edification and guidance. Problem is, we have heavily edited a lot of it in our seminaries and modern doctrines, so the folk in the pews get abridged information...

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The scriptures and later editors were all guided by the Spirit. Find out HOW we got the scripture from scholars that have studied ancient scripts all their lives. You will be surprised if you study it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqhfsMuGF0c

How we got the Tanakh.

The Word of God requires us 'the need' to rightly divide the Word of God and in the transition from OT to NT that period was not to be continuance of  but transition to what was to be by the very same written Scriptures we have today... when one goes back to the transition to claim for today they are violating the right dividing of said Scriptures...

[*Zion*]

21 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The scriptures and later editors were all guided by the Spirit. Find out HOW we got the scripture from scholars that have studied ancient scripts all their lives. You will be surprised if you study it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqhfsMuGF0c

How we got the Tanakh.

I'm sure they must have been guided by the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit testifies of the Word of God.  He is the one that reveals scripture to us, by His illumination.  That's how we know He is the Spirit of God, and not a counterfeit spirit.  He points to the Word.  In the beginning, before everything, was the Word.  That's how the writers of scripture were guided by the Holy Spirit and what they were directed to by Him.  Nothing exists without God's Word, including faith and therefore conversion.  That's why we look for it when someone testifies of anything concerning the Lord.  He always backs Himself up with His word.  He has even magnified it above His Name, as He states in Psalm 136. I believe He does this for the very reason of protecting His people against counterfeit spirits or words.

Bless you

Edited April 9, 2020 by *Zion*

[enoob57]

37 minutes ago, Flowersun said:

The Holy Spirit testified to my spirit who he was...God.

We verify spirits that come to us by truth for they are of lie and God only list one objective truth we can rely upon ->His Word
 

John 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV
 

[Blood Bought 1953]

4 hours ago, Betha said:

Jesus is Lord  of the Sabbath ! can you be CHRIST-like and not respect HIS HOLY DAY ?  Heb 13v8 Jesus Christ the same  'yesterday, and  today and for ever .

 

I respect His Holy Day more than you do! SEVEN TIMES better, as a matter of fact. I “ Sabbath” or “REST” in the Finished Work Of The Cross Every Day— that is the only Sabbath Worship That God is interested in now that we live under Grace..... “ Let No Man judge you according to theKeeping  Of Sabbaths....” You set your sights waaaaaay too low—- your God is too small.....

[Justin Adams]

19 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

The Word of God requires us 'the need' to rightly divide the Word of God and in the transition from OT to NT that period was not to be continuance of  but transition to what was to be by the very same written Scriptures we have today... when one goes back to the transition to claim for today they are violating the right dividing of said Scriptures...

Second temple literature substantiates the Tanakh. It is what guided the apostles who were well versed in much we have not even dared to read... I do know why. The time from 500 BC to 100 AD allowed a co′a·les′cence  of much of the doctrines the apostles preached. They taught the early church from Rabbinical writings and the Tanakh. They all read the Septuagint and the pre-doctored and abridged Masoretic texts (I.e. The Hebrew texts). They read stuff disallowed by the reformed theologies.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Justin Adams]

21 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

He does this for the very reason of protecting His people against counterfeit spirits or words.

Listen to the above link by Dr Heiser, a renown Hebraic scholar. Only in knowing things can we be useful in rejecting non scriptural ideas. My people (today) perish from lack of knowledge.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Justin Adams

[*Zion*]

Just now, Justin Adams said:

Listen to the above link by Dr Heiser, a renown Hebraic scholar. Only in knowing things can we be useful in rejecting non scriptural ideas. My people (today) perish from lack of knowledge.

Great.  I'm sure I'll agree with him.  We must know scripture in order to reject non scriptural ideas, definitely no argument from me there either.  Knowing 'things?' Things of God?  Yes we must learn many things from God.  Yes indeed, we all perish from lack of knowledge, especially knowledge obtained by understanding the Word of God.  

Both by God's Word and His Spirit are we able to separate conjecture and lie from truth and certainty.  After all, the Lord Jesus chose to defeat the enem when He was in the wilderness thusly: by quoting the Word of God.  That's how we defeat the lie.  Right?