Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[Jedi4Yahweh]

This is something I am constantly seeing taught and regurgitated by Christians today and I am frequently seeing this matter brought up here in these forums that: Jesus teachings dont apply to Gentiles only Jews and that we only follow Paul's teachings.  I have seen people abandoning the teachings of Jesus (Gospels) and other letters of the bible such as James, John, Hebrews, and Peters and saying they were only writing to Jews and their teaching dont apply to Gentiles.  They say we follow Paul's teaching since he was an apostle to the Gentiles.  NEWS FLASH:  All the Apostles were responsible for taking the teachings of Jesus called the Gospel to all the nations not just Paul.  Jesus commanded all his apostles to take everything that he had taught them to all the nations.  They were all called to be apostles to both Jews and Gentiles.

Jesus told his 11 disciples: Mat 28:19-20 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations (Jews & Gentiles)...teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

If you do a little research you find that all the Apostles eventually left Israel and went everywhere preaching the Gospel and teaching followers to keep and obey what Jesus had taught them.  James the brother of Jesus was called the Leader of many of the churches in Asia,  John the beloved Apostle established many of the churches in Asia minor hence in Revelation he addressed the 7 churches in Asia. Peter the Apostle went all over the place preaching and eventually end up in Rome where he was was killed.  Its the same for all the apostles.  All the apostles were sent to both Jew and Gentile preaching the same gospel that Jesus taught them.

Jesus is the foundation of the New Covenant and it applies to both Jew and Gentile and their is no difference in what Jesus taught and what all the apostles taught.  The teachings of Jesus applies to both Jew and Gentile believers equally.  The apostle of Jesus did not bring a different gospel to the Gentiles than what Jesus taught them.  The New Covenant which Gentile believers are under is a Jewish covenant that was promised to them specifically but was extended to Gentiles out of the goodness and grace of God.  

The Prophets spoke of this new covenant that was intended for Israel:  Jer 31:31-33 KJV - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 12:24, 28 KJV - And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. ... Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

The new covenant that was promised to Israel is the same new covenant the we Gentiles are adopted into.  Paul confirms this:  Eph 2:11-13 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by those whom are of Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Mat 26:28 KJV - For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The New Covenant that Jesus established and taught to Jews is the same covenant and teachings the apostles have taken to the Gentile nations. 

So dont deceive yourself and think I dont have to keep and obey what Jesus taught or any of apostles writings.  They are for all believers Jews and Gentiles.  If you are a believer then you have been brought into the new covenant that was promised to Israel which was established by Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant to the Jew first but now to all Gentiles.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Justin Adams]

I have seen this on here too.

To clarify. A certain poster says "XXX was not written to the church but only the Jews".

Edited April 8, 2020 by Justin Adams

[JohnD]

Jesus came to die on the cross thus fulfilling the Old Covenant and to usher in the New in his blood.

Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Until he died on the cross, he lived and taught under the Old Covenant Law.

He taught prophetically at times about believing him, that his burden is light, the truth shall set you free (from the Law)

and so forth. This is FIRST for the Jew then the Gentile. The Apostle Peter made this clear in Acts 15.

GRACE.

The Sermon on the Mount, while there were prophetic mentions about Grace (which is true about the entire Tanakh), was a divine commentary about the mishandling of the Old Testament Law. And  he set it back to right. 

Example:

Matthew 5:27–30 (AV)
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

This is Law and not Grace.

Jesus answered the deficiency of the Sanhedrin in enforcing the Law about adultery against men as well as women. They were quite adept at enforcing the Law against adultery for women. Jesus reminded them that Job 31:1-13 is just as much Law as Leviticus 18:8 / Isaiah 47:1-3. 

The so-called Lord's prayer is the same way. It is an Old Testament prayer. Forgive us AS we forgive others. ← that's a work.

Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Corinthians 15:1–4 (AV)
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

John 16:27 (AV)
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

See anything about forgiving others? About gouging out eyes or cutting off limbs? water Baptism? walking the aisle? praying the prayer of repentance?  inviting Jesus in?

Believe!

The problem is, with so many versions of Jesus out there it's hard to be certain you believe in the Genuine Jesus. That's what Holy Spirit interpreted scripture is for!

1 John 5:13 (AV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The keys to the Kingdom / how to prove all things (including whether or not the genuine Holy Spirit is doing the interpreting):

[TheBlade]

"Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.". Its mine.. So.. this is where I stand.

I will say I do agree there are things Christ said in Matt- John that was not said to any Church or any Christian. Well there was no Church no Christian.. they would not understand. Christ said when..to Peter upon this rock i WILL build my Church. Fact.. Christ came to His own 1st.  There are things Jewish people asked.. and Christ told them what they would see. Matt 24 is a good one. NOT saying does not apply to us. Somethings were not known till after Christ died and rose AMEN!
 

That being said.. anything I read in Matt-John.. promises or the like. Was written for me also I think some can get kinda silly on this. I can't remember ever hearing Christs teaching are not for gentiles.

 

[The_Patriot21]

All of the Bible was written to everyone. There are certain parts that do not apply, but they don't apply across the board, such as circumcision, food requirements, and of course stoning people caught in adultery. But, scripture also tells us what no longer applies...

[grahampaul]

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 timothy 3v16

[Jayne]

I've never heard anyone here or anywhere else state that Christians should only listen to Paul and to ignore the teachings of Christ.  I'd like to see some citation for that because I would be the first in line to set them straight.

If you ignore the teachings of Christ - how can you call yourself a Christian?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

57 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I've never heard anyone here or anywhere else state that Christians should only listen to Paul and to ignore the teachings of Christ.  I'd like to see some citation for that because I would be the first in line to set them straight.

If you ignore the teachings of Christ - how can you call yourself a Christian?

Believe me they are on here.  They are teaching that everything Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant and that we are not under that covenant and therefore what ever Jesus taught does not apply to Christians today.  Its absurd but I know, but there are people on here teaching that.   They also teach that much of the new testament writers outside of Paul are writing to old covenant Jews and not Christians and therefore does not apply to Christians such as the Epistles from John, Peter and James.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Behold]

7 minutes ago, JasonPerkins said:

Believe me they are on here.  They are teaching that everything Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant and that we are not under that covenant and therefore what ever Jesus taught does not apply to Christians today.  Its absurd but I know, but there are people on here teaching that.   They also teach that much of the new testament writers outside of Paul are writing to old covenant Jews and not Christians and therefore does not apply to Christians,   such as the Epistles from John, Peter, James.

Can you post a quote by these people, as you say there is more then one.. (They).
Ive not seen this on Worthy, but you say its more then one doing it.

Can you post a quote, or do you just say its happening, but can't post a quote?

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Believe me they are on here.  They are teaching that everything Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant and that we are not under that covenant and therefore what ever Jesus taught does not apply to Christians today.  Its absurd but I know, but there are people on here teaching that.   They also teach that much of the new testament writers outside of Paul are writing to old covenant Jews and not Christians and therefore does not apply to Christians such as the Epistles from John, Peter and James.

Who are they ?