Divorce

[Behold]

29 minutes ago, Refresher said:

Behold, I am reposting my below message as we discussed referring to the first replied Post by Mr. Novus that caused you to argue with him. I am sorry to say Behold, but your above long messages are very far already.

 

Conclusion: All above scriptures are under the new covenant or  under the New Testament, so it means we need to live a holy life as well and not to contiue to sin.

All believers in Yeshua are to live a life that would please God. WE are to love God with our lives., at all times.

And as long as we are doing that in the full assurance that God has accepted us based on the blood of Jesus, and not because we think that by being GOOD is why He would save us or keep us saved, then we are right on the Gospel Track.

Its TRUTH, to preach that we are to live the Sanctified Life, but once you preach this as the WAY God saves, or the WAY that God keeps you saved, then the Devil's gospel has taken over the Pulpit.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Behold

[Refresher]

12 hours ago, Wesley L said:

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

What you are saying is, this verse was meant for unbelievers.
What if this unbeliever became a believer right that moment. This verse suddenly doesn’t apply to him anymore...?

In the beginning I thought, maybe you say the same, just in a different way. But now I know you clearly have a different faith system.
- Where your will to obey the law is causing you to sin. (and not: you surrendering yourself to your own sinful desires)
- Where the law judges you. (and not: God)
- Where sin becomes something different. (and not: although there is still sin, we are saved from the consequences)
- Where to tell a christian that he/she has sinned (the truth) is harmful. (and not: telling the truth will show you the way to Jesus) 

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Matthew 5:17-19 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 7:7-13 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Let's use a daily life metaphor:
When a man breaks the law and gets caught. The judge will judge over him. (The law never judges!)
The judge will fine him for what he has done.
Then a good guy comes into the courtroom and pays the fine.
The judge says to the man who broke the law, although you are guilty, although you have to pay the fine, I can let you go now, because someone else paid the fine. Be thankful and don't break the law again!
If you break the law again, you will still have committed a crime. (The laws never changed!)

What changes then, when someone becomes born again?
- God did not change
- The laws did not change
- Sin did not change
- YOU CHANGED! YOU WERE BORN AGAIN! You surrendered yourself to the Lord, repenting trusting in Jesus Christ. Because the law showed you that you CAN'T save yourself, although you tried as hard as you can. 
You received a new heart with new desires, but still living in your fleshly body. (so you will still be able to sin) You received the helper, The Holy Spirit. By faith we are saved. By faith we persevere in our walk in Christ. By faith we receive the undeserved Grace  of salvation and the peace beyond all comprehension.

Once again, why is it harmful to tell a Christian that he/she still can sin? Every Christian experiences that in his/her own life.

Very well said Wesley

[Refresher]

19 hours ago, Behold said:

Its TRUTH, to preach that we are to live the Sanctified Life, but once you preach this as the WAY God saves, or the WAY that God keeps you saved, then the Devil's gospel has taken over the Pulpit.

I believe if we preach the gospel of truth and it pleases the God the Father, the Devil cannot take over the pulpit...because of the anointing of the the Holy Spirit. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Refresher

[Behold]

46 minutes ago, Refresher said:

I believe if we preach the gospel of truth and it pleases the God the Father, the Devil cannot take over the pulpit...because of the anointing of the the Holy Spirit. 

The "gospel of Truth" is what Paul said is "my gospel".  And it simply teaches that Jesus is the Redeemer and Salvation is a Free Gift.

Preach that "preaching of the Cross" message and you are preaching "truth".  But if you deny the Cross, if you deny Jesus as the redeemer, and change the gospel into...>"here is what you do to get into heaven, commandments, torah, enduring to the end, obedience, works, works, self effort", then you have denied the Blood of Jesus as only what saves and keeps you saved.

don't preach that....

[Novus]

20 hours ago, Behold said:

I'm not certain what commentary, Book of Mormon?  JW material ????? you are using, but the writer can't possibly know any of that 2000 Years after this event was recorded in a NT.

Peter once did something like you are describing, being afraid of the Jews, so he would not sit with Gentile Believers, and Paul scolded him violently and openly for this type of behavior.

Listen, there is no mainline denomination that has ever taught anything as wild as what you just wrote.   You can't even use a New Testament to prove what you just said.   You are teaching from a commentary or a book that is related to your denomination and its not in agreement with seemingly anything that is related to the Cross, Justification by Faith, The Gift of Salvation, the Grace of God...

Also, Paul understands that you can't lose your salvation, so, he would not be trying to prevent something that isn't possible, Novus .

And the idea of "remaining faithful" so that you keep yourself saved, vs the Blood of Jesus keeping you saved, is just one more standard Legalist idea, along with apostasy as a way to lose salvation.

Do you realize that you are very decided that so many things can cause YOU to lose your salvation, yet none of it can?

Novus, you can't lose what you didn't cause.

What will you do if God gives you Light and you realize that your entire belief system is actually in opposition to the Grace of God?

The Apostle Paul who is talking to these unsaved Hebrews, is preaching very strongly, and he is preaching the Gospel.  And how do you know?  Because he references the Blood of Jesus, etc.   So, he's preaching the Cross to these Christ haters, and the warning is extreme he is giving them.  He is comparing them to the very one's who screamed  "give us Barabbas"...and those who took Christ into an illegal trial in the middle of the night to hide their malicious deed.

Paul would not need to preach the Gospel to any group who is already born again...     as why would he do it?  To get them born again twice?     Not quite.

And he certainly knows that you can walk away from a religion, but you can't walk away from being Born again.  Paul knows that the "new birth" is an eternal situation, and these Hebrews do not have it. They are Christ rejectors, just like those who Stoned Paul to death, and also Stephen.   This Hebrews  incident is repeated in Act 28, the last 10 verses..  

• Thanks for taking the time to reply so extensively - I really appreciate your comments. If I am not mistaken, a lot of what you are saying builds on Galatians 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
• Not a Mormon nor a JW either.
• No good works on our side can in any way merit salvation:

Isaiah 64:6 - But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Philippians 3:7-8 - But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Thanks again.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Novus

[Novus]

17 minutes ago, Novus said:

What will you do if God gives you Light and you realize that your entire belief system is actually in opposition to the Grace of God?

Nothing will be more important than to repent and turn to God...

[Behold]

24 minutes ago, Novus said:

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• No good works on our side can in any way merit salvation:

 

And no "bad works" can cause you to lose your Salvation, because : God saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, ...(works)... but because of God's mercy.  God saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit...    no works involved on our part.

Salvation is all of God and none of us.

God justifies, sanctifies, redeems,  and saves the UNGODLY, not the Godly, and we were all the ungodly before the Blood Of Jesus made us CLEAN.

Now we are "the righteousness of Christ".

[kwikphilly]

RarexxRose,

   Blessings Rose

         I read your OP & you asked "How do you know?" Maybe someone already asked but I'll never know it because there is just way too many pages &whatever I did read doesnt really seem to address your Topic,would you mind explaining the question please....I mean you get a certificate of divorce & you certainly know you are divorced,so I'm wondering if your concern is whether or not it is acceptable by God,is that about right?

    That is probably the question but I don't like to make assumptions.....to address the first part of your question is "yes,it is a Spiritual (Divine)Union & much more,it is 3 fold,mind,body & spirit. It is a Covenant between man,woman & God....

   Divorce,well we know God does make Allowances and He Does Know better than we do that we are not able to keep our Promises,the Covenants we make with Him or anything without Him.....so when we ask Him for help,He Will lead us,Guide us and make a Way for us.....what I am saying is we are a mess,lol Most the time we end up in Divorce because we did not seek His Guidance in the first place.....but He Loves us Rose & I am in no way minimizing this  Covenant ,I am Glorifying God....Ask Him,He Will Tell you and you Will Know....

                                                                                With love-in Christ<kwik

  

    

[Alive]

I must say that my spirit leaps for joy and witness when the simplicity of the gospel is preached...it is like a cold glass of living water in the desert.

 

Praise the Lord!

Edited April 18, 2020 by Alive

[Novus]

5 minutes ago, Behold said:

And no "bad works" can cause you to lose your Salvation, because : God saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, ...(works)... but because of God's mercy.  God saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit...    no works involved on our part.

Salvation is all of God and none of us.

God justifies, sanctifies, redeems,  and saves the UNGODLY, not the Godly, and we were all the ungodly before the Blood Of Jesus made us CLEAN.

Now we are "the righteousness of Christ".

If you would, can you please explain Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.