RarexxRose Posted April 8, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 146 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 86 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2020 How is divorce or getting a divorce a spiritual work? How do you know if you are truly and fully divorced from a person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted April 8, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RarexxRose said: How is divorce or getting a divorce a spiritual work? How do you know if you are truly and fully divorced from a person? The Law, the secular law defines a marriage as a wedding vow promise, sometimes a blood test, and a marriage certificate. God defines a Marriage as a Spiritual Union, that is consummated by the act of physical sexual intimacy, where "2 become One Flesh". All of that Together, would define a "marriage". If you break that , you did it by a certificate of Divorce, or you did it by joining your flesh to someone who you were married to...and this now joins you to them... This is why Jesus said...>"except for the cause of FORNICATION".....as this is that "sexual union" that joins you to another.... = "One flesh". Edited April 8, 2020 by Behold 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jostler Posted April 9, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 Rose I honestly believe the bonds formed in marriage do involve a union that engages the whole being, body, soul and spirit. Rending those bonds once formed is traumatic, and that is why God placed physical union in the context of a life-long committed, exclusive relationship. So He hates divorce for the inevitable trauma it causes to both parties. Yet sometimes it is inevitable. When a marriage fails, the bonds formed by marriage and union must be severed, to eliminate the influences that can move into our lives through bonds forged, but now not encompassed in the place of safety He designed them to be enjoyed in. I truly believe only the Spirit can fully sever those bonds, and in time heal the wounds that severing produces. And I believe if we ask Him to, and trust Him to, He will do it. It's a painful, traumatic process, but He is big enough to complete it. We just have to ask Him, and let Him guide us through the process, trusting He will finish it for us. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted April 9, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2020 13 hours ago, RarexxRose said: How is divorce or getting a divorce a spiritual work? How do you know if you are truly and fully divorced from a person? Why do you ask? I feel there is a question underlying the question. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonerAndy Posted April 9, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 693 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 396 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2020 20 hours ago, RarexxRose said: How is divorce or getting a divorce a spiritual work? How do you know if you are truly and fully divorced from a person? I don't know what that means. A spiritual work, implies something good. Divorce is something evil. Not sure how divorce would be a spiritual work, unless it's a spiritual work of the devil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchesofHim Posted April 11, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 211 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,463 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 759 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/09/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/23/1966 Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/8/2020 at 4:02 PM, RarexxRose said: How is divorce or getting a divorce a spiritual work? How do you know if you are truly and fully divorced from a person? Everything is spiritual. It's all spiritual in the natural. The natural is a reflection of the spiritual reality. Actually it is simple. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley L Posted April 13, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 304 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) On 4/9/2020 at 2:10 AM, Jostler said: I truly believe only the Spirit can fully sever those bonds, and in time heal the wounds that severing produces. And I believe if we ask Him to, and trust Him to, He will do it. It's a painful, traumatic process, but He is big enough to complete it. We just have to ask Him, and let Him guide us through the process, trusting He will finish it for us. Divorce is a sin. (unless adultery is involved) How can we ask the Holy Spirit to guide us through a divorce process? If I robbed a bank, won't dare to ask the Holy Spirit to guide me through the process of getting away with it... I'd ask for forgiveness. Edited April 13, 2020 by Wesley L grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted April 13, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wesley L said: Divorce is a sin. (unless adultery is involved) How can we ask the Holy Spirit to guide us through a divorce process? Actually, your New Testament , Jesus speaking, says that except for the cause of FORNICATION".....>HE does not say "adultery"......as this is the man man teaching of many denominations that dont read their NT, and just teach a lot of legalism and nonsense. So, do you understand the distinction that Jesus is making between "fornication" and Adultery"? And so, if a believer divorces, then because they are not under the Law, and because Romans 4:8 is in effect regarding all "sin", then any born again person is free to remarry, free to have no guilt or condemnation, and free to get on with their life. God does not require you , if you are born again, to exist within a marriage where the marriage is a living hell, the marriage partner is impossible , dishonest, hateful, etc, etc, etc, and will not change.... If you are a woman, you are not required to take your beating and get your broken nose fixed for the 5th time, because some novice carnal Preacher and their similar christian congregation believe you should. YOU SHOULD NOT !! God's idea of marriage is not slavery to a devil who once confessed Christ when they were 8 yrs old, and npe they are 25-75 and have been mistreating you for a long time......and will not stop...... God does not require you to prove your spirituality by staying in a "marriage vow" situation for years, where you want to kill yourself every day that you have to stay with this monster. DIVORCE, move on......Find a good Christian Mate. Edited April 13, 2020 by Behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novus Posted April 14, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 712 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/09/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/24/1970 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Behold said: Actually, your New Testament , Jesus speaking, says that except for the cause of FORNICATION".....>HE does not say "adultery"......as this is the man man teaching of many denominations that dont read their NT, and just teach a lot of legalism and nonsense. So, do you understand the distinction that Jesus is making between "fornication" and Adultery"? And so, if a believer divorces, then because they are not under the Law, and because Romans 4:8 is in effect regarding all "sin", then any born again person is free to remarry, free to have no guilt or condemnation, and free to get on with their life. God does not require you , if you are born again, to exist within a marriage where the marriage is a living hell, the marriage partner is impossible , dishonest, hateful, etc, etc, etc, and will not change.... If you are a woman, you are not required to take your beating and get your broken nose fixed for the 5th time, because some novice carnal Preacher and their similar christian congregation believe you should. YOU SHOULD NOT !! God's idea of marriage is not slavery to a devil who once confessed Christ when they were 8 yrs old, and npe they are 25-75 and have been mistreating you for a long time......and will not stop...... God does not require you to prove your spirituality by staying in a "marriage vow" situation for years, where you want to kill yourself every day that you have to stay with this monster. DIVORCE, move on......Find a good Christian Mate. I don't think it is biblical to "DIVORCE, move on...Find a good Christian Mate". What the bible seems to teach relating to a separation (and this may include a situation where a divorce has already occurred - past tense) is to remain separated or reconcile - 1 Corinthians 7:11 - But and if she depart (in the Greek the tense of the word is in the past tense - if a separation has already occurred), let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. Also to consider is Romans 7:2-3 - For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. So what Paul seems to be saying here, is that married people are in a continual state of marriage as long as either is still alive - only death dissolves the marriage bond. That is why "remarriage" after divorce while your "first" married partner is still alive constitutes adultery – which is what this passage seems to be saying. Reconciliation is preferable - repentance, forgiveness and if possible live in peace or remain separated. The danger: People who have been advised to remarry after divorce while their first married partner is still living, are in a state of adultery and not marriage. The danger may be exclusion from God's Kingdom - Romans 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, This is a hard teaching - very difficult and narrow. My understanding is that most Pastors today do not teach this view. If you track back in history, you will find that this "narrow" view is more consistent as you get closer to the Apostles teachings. So where did the "change" in thinking occur? It occured with a Catholic Monk - Erasmus at the time of the Reformation. I would prefer to remain Biblical on the subject of remarriage after divorce. Don't take my word for it...study careful for yourself what the Bible actually says (to include the "exception clause" in Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery - read in context. "Fornication" is the sin of a couple not actually married (albeit engaged to be married). May the Holy Spirit lead us into all truth - John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Edited April 14, 2020 by Novus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted April 14, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Novus said: I don't think it is biblical to "DIVORCE, move on...Find a good Christian Mate". No offense intended, but, Im really only intersted in what God teaches, and because i understand the NT and the mercy of God, im not really available to leave that and agree with someone's opinion who resists it. Here is what i can tell you. If you want to be a very strict idealist regarding the subject of divorce and remarriage, then you can teach...."only for the cause of desertion and fornication". But if you want to live in the real world and deal with real situations, then you have to eventually come to the realization that the heart of the law is mercy. The Law is not given for you to be under its dominion to prove you are worthy enough for God to accept. The Law, is given to show you that God's mercy is greater then the Law that previously defined you and all your good works as a sinning filthy rag. Listen, Novus. God is not just the God of the Law..>>He is much more. The law does not define Him... He is defined by LOVE. Love is Mercy, and Charity, and compassion. The Law is NONE OF THIS. So, God deals with us, by becoming One of us, to be able to be touched with the feelings of our fears and worry and insecurity and pain. When God deals with HIS CHILD who He hung on a Cross while Bleeding to SAVE, He does not later become less merciful. Here is one of the greatest gifts that God gives continually. Its a ... 2nd Chance. And God gives these for as long as you live. He endlessly gives you a 2nd chance. And that INCLUDES accepting that you need to get out of a bad marriage that has ruined your life, is ruining your children, and is stopping you from even having hope for tomorrow. Do not condemn God's children. He doesn't. So, neither should you. Edited April 14, 2020 by Behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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