Ventilators hurting/killing not helping?

[Neighbor]

Hi all I have found the information provided to be enlightening and useful. I do recommend viewing it. The idea that this COVID-19  is not a lung affecting issue but instead a blood carrying of oxygen issue, and that ventilators may be causing deaths instead of helping is rather astounding to me. The concept that doctors follow protocols first is also  a reveal to me. I'll post it in videos too. Addendum 4/12/20 NOTE: It is placed and approved at  VIDEOS NEWS 

 

[ladypeartree]

PLEASE get this approved as utube videos are not allowed without approval and I think everyone should see this My 16 year old granddaughter came back from a skiing holiday in Austria back in February She was very ill ( this is before it became a hot topic and no one was actually doing anything at the time here in the UK  ) Her doctor diagnosed her with altitude sickness and said her iron count was very low and she had some sort of massive infection going on ( the blood results that should have been 5 or under came back as 37 ) 

She wasn't told to isolate .. in fact she was sent to the main hospital three times for blood tests , and even tried going back to school as she thought it was just " tiredness with a major headache " Her mum also caught it and was still teaching This has been in our countries longer than we were told about 

[Deborah_]

In the UK, some doctors have said that oxygen treatment seems to be more effective than ventilation (except in the most serious cases). 

[NotAllThere]

The fact is, if you need ventilation, you're already extremely ill and at risk of death. The older you are, the greater the risk. 

But, the alternative to ventilation is certain death. So - no. Ventilators aren't hurting. And they do help. Try talking to medical professionals who are actually working on the frontline. Social media is not a good source of medical advice. 

Hint: anything that makes you fearful isn't from God. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by NotAllThere

[ladypeartree]

If you listened to the video the guy was working on the front line and his convictions are so strong he even resigned his post and no where is there any mention of fear 

[other one]

I've talked to friends about this and there is something to it.     Doctors in Hong Kong noticed some of the same things...    adding the pressure does help the oxygen get through the lining of the air sacks though and it opens them up somewhat...   I do that every night with a CPAP machine..  it also helps get the fluids out of them where more air can get in....   but I would agree that the higher pressure could be damaging also.....    but I personally have not experienced people on a ventilator that wasn't also on oxygen so I'm a bit confused about that...   if thier o2 levels were low they should be on o2 long before being on a ventilator.    it was my understanding that the vin was pretty much the last ditch effort to keep them alive till the body deals with the virus.   If people were getting air into their lungs I would wonder why a vin would even be used at all.   The CPAP raises the pressure without all that risky stuff.

I would doubt the video really covers all the subject here.... 

And btw you should not post video's even in the method you have anywhere outside the video forum.   You've been here long enough to know better.

 

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, ladypeartree said:

PLEASE get this approved as utube videos are not allowed without approval and I think everyone should see this My 16 year old granddaughter

I placed it  at Videos already.

[Neighbor]

45 minutes ago, other one said:

it also helps get the fluids out of them where more air can get in.

Hi I think what is being noted is there is no fluid to get out. The lungs are clear. Instead it is an issue of the blood vessels absorbing the oxygen from the lungs into the blood vascular system within hemoglobin. There is no need to use a ventilator at all,  doing so actually injures and causes deaths. 

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

The fact is, if you need ventilation, you're already extremely ill and at risk of death.

Hi, The presentation by the specialist physicians  is saying otherwise! It is not a fact at all.

The death rate occurring is more than double that which is the norm  for patients under sedation being ventilated. The doctors are saying they are killing people by using this protocol for this disease. The ventilator is assisting nothing that is wrong for there is no pneumonia  at all to be trying to overcome. Instead the issue is in the blood the blood is not carrying the oxygen that is available in the lungs. 

Further they are stating that the problem is something that oxychloroquine  has already been designed to handle  in Malaria patients. Anyone interested in the possibility might want to actually view the presentation here on Videos and also and read the documentation at WebMD.com

 I found it to be helpful information that I might well use should I come down with the illness. May each decide for themselves, butnot be without information with which to help make decisions.

[other one]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi I think what is being noted is there is no fluid to get out. The lungs are clear. Instead it is an issue of the blood vessels absorbing the oxygen from the lungs into the blood vascular system within hemoglobin. There is no need to use a ventilator at all,  doing so actually injures and causes deaths. 

My sister in law was having trouble getting air into her lungs....    Not every case is the same I guess...