Ventilators hurting/killing not helping?

[Heleadethme]

This makes sense.......saw on the news how some doctors as a last resort in cases when ventilators weren't being effective, devised a way of circulating the patient's blood through a device that oxygenates the blood.......and having success with that.  It's so often a blessing when people think outside the box......praise the Lord for His help, and in wrath remembering mercy.  There needs to be a website for medical staff to publish their stories so other docs can look for suggestions when they are out of options.  This virus doesn't seem to be a 'one solution fits all' kind of virus.

[Abrielle]

28 minutes ago, other one said:

My sister in law was having trouble getting air into her lungs....    Not every case is the same I guess...

 

At 24:36 they mention: In case they have to intubate someone, the protocol is still not ideal (low volume and high ventilation), they must do the opposite: higher volume and lower ventilation.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Abrielle

[frienduff thaylorde]

44 minutes ago, other one said:

My sister in law was having trouble getting air into her lungs....    Not every case is the same I guess...

 

Pard ,  not that we should fear ,   but me thinks this stuff was genetically engineered .     Stuff dont add up man   .     

[frienduff thaylorde]

PRAISE BE TO THE LORD OUR SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST .       Praise is contagious ,  the more i praise the more i want to praise .    OH let all rejoice in the KING .   

[ReneeIW]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Hi I think what is being noted is there is no fluid to get out. The lungs are clear. Instead it is an issue of the blood vessels absorbing the oxygen from the lungs into the blood vascular system within hemoglobin. There is no need to use a ventilator at all,  doing so actually injures and causes deaths. 

I haven’t watched the video or read through the thread so not sure if this has been said but the idea that the lungs are “clear” doesn’t sound right to me because a chest X-ray is done and they can see right away if the lungs are clear.

 

Based on my experience, having spent weeks at children’s hospitals after my son was misdiagnosed with Interstitial Lung disease, is that not all doctors/nurses  know how to properly use ventilators.. I witnessed it and transferring  to the best hospital in the country saved my son’s life. They were able to get him to breathe on his own by the next day after leaving a hospital that said there was nothing else they could do for him. The doctors were cautious not to put the other doctors down but simply said they take a different approach when trying to get someone to breath on their own.

Ventilators also damage the lungs long- term if not done well. 

Thanks for posting this topic. I do think there needs to be a conversation about this. 

 

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by ReneeIW

[Coliseum]

2 hours ago, other one said:

My sister in law was having trouble getting air into her lungs....    Not every case is the same I guess...

 

I think you summed it up in your last sentence pretty succinctly. It is not a one-size-fits-all. Scientists look for data, risk factors, and patterns: how long have you had it? Which strain? How immune is your system? Extenuating circumstances---other health problems, age, different medications and dosage, technique---many factors must be considered to know whether they work better on one person than another? 

[Neighbor]

17 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

Social media is not a good source of medical advice. 

 

I do disagree with that declaration. Good, bad, and indifferent information on most all subjects is available on social media including declarations put on social media that  it is a bad resource to use. LOL.

So called social media has removed a lot of filters. No one accepts a Walter Cronkite type filtering of information anymore. One might easily argue that without social media the USA would already be a communist  or fascist dictatorship where only a State run information service  is permitted to cast information.

Personally I cherish the defense against that happening that the explosion  of opportunity to share information the internet has become. Why I have no real need of an NBC ABC CBS at all. I can click on any local news team I may desire to seek out. I can get information From Mayo Clinic, CDC, Web-MD, Even my local hospital system.

I just had a urologist appointment via  the internet. Now that one did have me a little concerned prior to having it. LOL! 

I am guessing that  from now on most of my doctor consultations will be via the internet, and that much of the various doctor's information gathered will become part of a centralized storage system that also uses social media as a resource. I am already far better prepared for doctor's appointments because I have ability to search social media beforehand.

Of the many lumps, bumps, dents and dings, an old body tends to form, I can see online pictures and descriptions same as my doctors do. I can then discuss them with my doctors having a far better understanding of what may be going on than I ever had in the "old days".

Having seen on social media that some doctors are questioning their own procedures is an encouragement to me  that they are doing a great job and are very interested and concerned about the wellbeing of their patients, no matter what  conclusion they may reach about treatments.

BECAUSE of the pressure of social media, approval of new or different products and treatments may take only weeks in some cases; instead of 19 years in the case of one I am quite familiar with.

It is a tension for sure between protocols, often  set up  for legal defense purposes, versus best treatment for the situation at hand. it is a matter of a doctor's critical thinking  versus a paint by the numbers approach to  another person's life in the case of this present new disease treatment.

I thank God for the brave that use critical thinking skill. Without critical thinking skill being applied doctors would still be bleeding us as a treatment. And a Louis Pastore would have been hung for his "crimes" which led to many medical advances.

Now  I personally am the filter, my own capacity to think and decide comes into play. I can get information from many resources many  of which are made available through social media. I think that  is a good thing.

[Neighbor]

12 hours ago, other one said:

My sister in law was having trouble getting air into her lungs....    Not every case is the same I guess...

 

And she may well have been having that issue. But what the concern  seems to be is that all the normal symptoms associated with that problem are not present, that this illness seems to be different with the patient able to talk using complete sentences which is not a common occurrence with pneumonia causing viruses.

That is what some on the medical teams are seeing and questioning. Plus the idea that a medicine used for treatment of malaria seems to help greatly,  one that does make it possible for blood to carry oxygen is giving at least some medical teams pause and concern that they are  on the wrong track thinking  this is a viral infection that leads to pneumonia occurring, that instead it affects the blood itself.  The blood cannot carry the oxygen that is available in the lung.

All the medical people want to save lives. Some are now saying, hey I think I am killing some with this particular procedure, what can I do different?

[Neighbor]

11 hours ago, ReneeIW said:

I haven’t watched the video or read through the thread so not sure if this has been said but the idea that the lungs are “clear” doesn’t sound right to me because a chest X-ray is done and they can see right away if the lungs are clear.

Yes, RenneIW, that is exactly what the doctor was questioning. The xrays have been showing the lungs to be clear! But the protocol calls for a ventilator to be used because the oxygen level in the blood is way low. He is thinking the blood's ability to absorb the oxygen is the issue, and not that the lung is not getting the oxygen in the first place. I do encourage  watching the video.  It is informative rather than just being a declaration it gives specifics behind the concern. 

[Neighbor]

ONE MORE THING the video does make one aware that use of a CPAP or use of oxygen tube assistance does have a disadvantage in that it is not a closed system, and is blowing "exhaust" into an unconfined  area -  blowing the virus if present around, contaminating a large area .

Lots of stuff for these doctors to consider as they fight to save people.

I found the video to be enlightening, well worth watching even to  just  learn stuff like that! I do recommend watching, listening, perhaps doing so  even before commenting on how it isn't of any value.