PETER AND PAUL PREACHED DIFFERENT GOSPELS

[douge]

Peter and Paul did not preach the same gospel messages. Below are the differences between the gospels and Apostleship's of Peter and Paul.

Peter's Apostleship: His Apostleship was commanded by Jesus Christ along with the other eleven disciples before Paul. Peter was primarily the Apostle to Israel (Galatians 2:8). Peter's Apostleship was diminishing after Paul was converted.

Paul's Apostleship: Paul was persecuting the church of God before being converted. After his conversion Paul was given revelations from the Lord Jesus Christ; Paul did not learn from any man including the twelve Apostles (Galatians 1:12). Paul was primarily the Apostle to Gentiles (Romans 11:13 2 Timothy 1:11).

Peter's Justification: Peter and the other eleven Apostles taught justification unto eternal life by believing on the name of Jesus; by believing Jesus is Christ, the Son of God (Acts 10:43 Matthew 16:16 Acts 4:12 Acts 2:36 John 20:31).

Peter preached that Israel under the old covenant was redeemed and cleansed by the crucifixion and shed blood of Jesus (Matthew 26:28 Hebrews 9:15 1 Peter 1:2 1 Peter 1:18-19 1 Peter 2:24). Peter preached forgiveness of sin at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 3:19).

Paul's Justification: Paul taught justification unto eternal life by the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18 Galatians 6:14 Colossians 1:20). Justification by faith that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for complete salvation unto eternal life (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Colossians 2:10). Paul taught forgiveness of all sin now by the blood of Jesus (Ephesians 1:7).

Peter's gospel: Peter preached remission of sins in the name of Jesus (Acts 10:43). Peter taught the gospel of the kingdom (Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11). Israel would inherit the promise of the Davidic kingdom on earth (Luke 1:32 Genesis 13:15). Israel would rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand year period (Revelation 20:6). Israel would be a light for salvation unto the Gentile nations that would enter the kingdom (Isaiah 60:3).

Paul's gospel: Paul taught the gospel of the uncircumcision (Galatians 2:7). Paul taught salvation to all freely by faith in Christ apart from the covenants of Israel, and apart from keeping the law (Romans 9:4 Romans 3:28 Galatians 2:19).

Peter and the resurrection: Peter preached the gospel of the circumcision (Galatians 2:7). Israel under the old covenant promises was promised to be a holy nation, a kingdom of kings and priests to rule over the Gentile nations with Christ (Revelation 1:6 Exodus 19:6 Revelation 5:10). Peter preached that the resurrection of Christ gave Israel assurance of that coming kingdom because Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in that prophetic kingdom (1 Peter 1:3 Acts 3:25 Acts 2:30). Peter preached the receiving of the Holy Ghost to empower Israel to enter the kingdom (Luke 24:49 Acts 1:8 Acts 2:33 Acts 2:38).

Paul and the resurrection: Paul taught that Christ was risen for our justification (Romans 4:25).

Peter and works: Peter preached works as necessary for salvation in order to enter the kingdom (Acts 10:35 1 Peter 1:15 1 Peter 2:9 2 Peter 1:10-11). Peter preached to Israel repentance and baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Peter preached holiness, and to remain steadfast unto the coming of Jesus and his kingdom (2 Peter 3:17).

Paul and works: Paul taught salvation without works (Titus 3:5 Romans 4:6 Ephesians 2:8-9).

Peter and the church: Peter preached to Israel (Acts 3:12). Gentiles had to come through Israel and it's covenants to be added to the church (Exodus 12:48 Acts 11:1); Gentiles had to believe the preaching of the word delivered to Israel as preached by Peter (Acts 13:48).

Paul and the church: Paul taught the church as the body of Christ, a new creature where there was neither Jew or Gentile (Galatians 6:15 Galatians 3:28 Ephesians 2:14).

Peter and heaven: Peter taught that Israel would receive the kingdom on earth ( Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11 Acts 2:30). He taught their reward was stored in heaven but not in heaven (1 Peter 1:4).

Paul and heaven: Paul taught the church seated with Christ in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6).

Both Peter and Paul were ordained of God to preach the gospel. Those who believed their gospels are in Christ. Peter's gospel faded away as Israel was diminished, and is not the gospel that is preached today. Paul preaches the gospel by which we are saved today. Paul in his epistles reveal the mysteries and doctrine for the church today.

[OneLight]

Out of all your threads/posts, I have yet to understand why you continue to do your best to separate Jews from Gentiles?  How do you see your theology of separation stand the test of Galatians 3:28 which states:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul himself does not divide along the ethnical lines as you do.  Why do you?

[Behold]

1 hour ago, douge said:

Peter and Paul did not preach the same gospel messages.

Yes and no.

What you are not understanding, is one simple thing... and this lack of knowledge, regarding how to rightly understand the NT, causes a lot of misunderstanding in the body of Christ.

Here is the thing..

Understand......Not all of the apostles knews the same knowledge, regarding what Paul teaches,....at the same time He knew it.

But, eventually, all come to agreement regarding  Paul's gospel of "justification by faith".

Peter was not preaching this in Act 2:38, because he did not know it yet.   How could he?  This comes from Paul and Paul was not even an Apostle Yet.  Jesus had not even given Paul this revelation of the "Grace of God",, yet.

I would say that its somewhere around Act 15, which is perhaps about 14-16 yrs after Jesus ascended back to Heaven, before all the Apostles were on the same page, Theologically.

Even 10 yrs after the Cross, Peter has no idea what Paul is preaching, and God had to give Peter the "rise kill and eat" vision to teach Peter that Gentiles could be saved.  And this is already the "time of the Gentiles".

So, reader, back then, there was no internet, no cell phones, and so, it took a while before the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that is Paul's Gospel, became ALL of the Apostle's gospel.

Eventually Peter did preach "Grace through Faith", but, not until Paul came along.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Behold

[kwikphilly]

59 minutes ago, OneLight said:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

We have the Written Word of God & it is Completed,so we can rightly divide the Word.....Peter had not yet Understood Pauls Message of "Grace"  until & after the Jerusalem Council where he validates Pauls Apostleship.....this should be very clear when you read the Word in Context and study,where,when ,who,how & why......all this information is Written for us,before Christ,during His Earthy Ministry,after His Resurrection ,Gospels of Matthew ,Mark,Luke & John.....etc...etc,,, and then came Paul,the ONLY Apostle to Receive the Truth Directly From Jesus after His Ascencion

[Zemke]

From douge's previous posts it seems he is coming from a hyper dispensational discipleship. While the common dispensationalist understands the walls of partition being torn down they still carry a remnant of earlier teachings from Darby and others who said things like James is not for the church or the sermon on the mount, Revelation and other type scripture. Douge seems to take things to a hyper hyper view. 

The remnant of hyper dispensational teaching is in areas like The Olivet Discourse. I was first taught the first 14 verses were for the church, then from the same teacher 5 years later the whole of the discourse was Jewish. It's like a cancer, this Jewishness of the scriptures separation from church scripture. There is a truth in distinction and audience, especially in the old, and something dispensationalists are good at picking up on in a commendable way but like many things we tend to take things to far. That's why I say douge is a hyper hyper dispensationalist. Just about everything other than Pauls' letters are Jewish and not for the Gentile church. 

Well, to add, that's the initial mistake it seems. "The Gentile church". The New Covenant was made with the House of Israel and the House of Juda, we are grafted in and should not boast. Yes the church became a Gentile thing but if we are paying attention God is grafting back in the natural branches as He said He would. The age of the Gentiles 'is' coming to a close. The church is actually a Jewish institution through which God has gone beyond the times of ignorance and is now calling on all peoples everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30. 

Dispensationalism by nature sets itself up to have partition walls.  This is one of the reasons we all have such difficulty in seeing things on the same page about the coming of our Lord. We use the same scriptures but have differing scenarios. The distinction between God dealing again with His covenant people the Jew who reject Messiah and those of the New Covenant of peoples everywhere who believe in Jesus exists but it isn't as clean and ordered in the end as dispensationalists project it to be.

As best as I can explain what I think anyway. 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Zemke

[douge]

20 hours ago, Behold said:

Yes and no.

What you are not understanding, is one simple thing... and this lack of knowledge, regarding how to rightly understand the NT, causes a lot of misunderstanding in the body of Christ.

Here is the thing..

Understand......Not all of the apostles knews the same knowledge, regarding what Paul teaches,....at the same time He knew it.

But, eventually, all come to agreement regarding  Paul's gospel of "justification by faith".

Peter was not preaching this in Act 2:38, because he did not know it yet.   How could he?  This comes from Paul and Paul was not even an Apostle Yet.  Jesus had not even given Paul this revelation of the "Grace of God",, yet.

I would say that its somewhere around Act 15, which is perhaps about 14-16 yrs after Jesus ascended back to Heaven, before all the Apostles were on the same page, Theologically.

Even 10 yrs after the Cross, Peter has no idea what Paul is preaching, and God had to give Peter the "rise kill and eat" vision to teach Peter that Gentiles could be saved.  And this is already the "time of the Gentiles".

So, reader, back then, there was no internet, no cell phones, and so, it took a while before the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that is Paul's Gospel, became ALL of the Apostle's gospel.

Eventually Peter did preach "Grace through Faith", but, not until Paul came along.

Yes, I pretty much agree.

Peter and the eleven came to acknowledge Paul as an apostle around Acts 15, and as seen in Galatians realized their commission was postponed. Peter, however, can never be read preaching the same gospel as Paul.

[douge]

21 hours ago, OneLight said:

Out of all your threads/posts, I have yet to understand why you continue to do your best to separate Jews from Gentiles?  How do you see your theology of separation stand the test of Galatians 3:28 which states:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Paul himself does not divide along the ethnical lines as you do.  Why do you?

There was a separation between Jew and Gentile, however, Gentiles could always come to God through Israel.

It was not revealed until Paul that of the two, God made one new man.

I am only showing that Jesus and the twelve were preaching the kingdom on earth, Paul was given the full revelation of the gospel.

[douge]

20 hours ago, Zemke said:

The New Covenant was made with the House of Israel and the House of Juda, we are grafted in and should not boast

I do not know what passage says the church, the body of Christ, is given the new covenant promise. Besides, the new covenant is promised but yet future. The new covenant has yet to be fulfilled, even to Israel as seen by what will be accomplished in Ezekiel 36:24-28.

[OneLight]

50 minutes ago, douge said:

There was a separation between Jew and Gentile, however, Gentiles could always come to God through Israel.

It was not revealed until Paul that of the two, God made one new man.

I am only showing that Jesus and the twelve were preaching the kingdom on earth, Paul was given the full revelation of the gospel.

No, Jesus did not just preach about the kingdom on earth, He taught also of the kingdom of Heaven.  Jesus did speak of the Gentile nation in John 10:16 when He said:

And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

His truth is so vast we humans will never understand it fully.  I have watched many over the years try to understand the bible to a point of becoming entangled in their personal theology and missing the mark.  We are told in Proverbs 3:5-6 to:

Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Jesus Himself tells us that we need to become like little children (Matthew 18:3-4; 19:14) - why is that?  Having an understanding as He shows us truth is important, but trying to connect all the dots we see may create a picture that does not represent the truth.  Be very careful what picture you create as there is no separation in Him.  You will do well if you take Proverbs 6:16-19 to heart.  Dividing His body is sowing discord.

[kwikphilly]

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Romans 11:11-31 King James Version (KJV)

¹¹ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

¹² Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

¹³ For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

¹⁴ If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

¹⁵ For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

¹⁶ For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

¹⁷ And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

¹⁸ Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

¹⁹ Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

²⁰ Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

²¹ For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

²² Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

²³ And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

²⁴ For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

²⁶ And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

²⁷ For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

²⁸ As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

²⁹ For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

³⁰ For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

³¹ Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

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