Branham.. prophet. I have a question.

[Justin Adams]

On 4/30/2020 at 6:53 PM, Zeisig said:

Anyone has acess here to that profet Branhams text?

I did read the initial post you made. I read the small print and I do not think many here would like that one bit...

I already said that in reply to the original post you made.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Paul James]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

That is easy:
 

Hebrews 12:23

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

This would include born again people for all denominations, and those outside of any denomination. 

The problem is that most born-again believers in the denominations wouldn't accept some self-appointed "prophet" who advertises himself as such.   All you have to do is to give one example of a true NT prophet who is recognised by every born-again believer in every denomination.

[Paul James]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

First, your theory is simply not truth, and second, because of your thinking, you will miss out on any benefit of a prophet.  But then, this happens to many in the body of Christ: those that think physical healing ended with the death of the last disciple do without God's healing.  Those that don't believe in prophets for today do without the ministry of a prophet and the reward of the prophet.  "He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward..."

The Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian churches I have fellowshiped over the years would never accept some guy who got up and advertised himself as a Prophet to the body of Christ.   So, because of that, the guy could never be a true New Testament Prophet.  He might be accepted as a Prophet in, say, the WOF movement, but nowhere else, so he could only be a self-appointed prophet to that movement, while all the other denominations and movements would reject him and his prophecies.

Anyhow, the majority of "Prophets" who have given prophecies have spoken dreamed up non-Biblical nonsense which no sensible believer would accept!

[BeauJangles]

25 minutes ago, Paul James said:

The Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian churches I have fellowshiped over the years would never accept some guy who got up and advertised himself as a Prophet to the body of Christ.   So, because of that, the guy could never be a true New Testament Prophet.  He might be accepted as a Prophet in, say, the WOF movement, but nowhere else, so he could only be a self-appointed prophet to that movement, while all the other denominations and movements would reject him and his prophecies.

Anyhow, the majority of "Prophets" who have given prophecies have spoken dreamed up non-Biblical nonsense which no sensible believer would accept!

Amen on that, brother. While I do believe in prophesy and prophetic utterances in the church today, persons who allege themselves as prophets/prophetesses are questionable at best. The same for those who claim to be apostles. Bottom line right there. No one should boast in the Holy Ghost or concerning gifts accordingly. That's not pleasing to God. Period. 

[iamlamad]

On 5/20/2020 at 5:16 PM, Paul James said:

The Anglican, Baptist and Presbyterian churches I have fellowshiped over the years would never accept some guy who got up and advertised himself as a Prophet to the body of Christ.   So, because of that, the guy could never be a true New Testament Prophet.  He might be accepted as a Prophet in, say, the WOF movement, but nowhere else, so he could only be a self-appointed prophet to that movement, while all the other denominations and movements would reject him and his prophecies.

Anyhow, the majority of "Prophets" who have given prophecies have spoken dreamed up non-Biblical nonsense which no sensible believer would accept!

What about all the other "churches?" Just because one or two or even three denominations don't believe something does not mean that is truth for the entire body of Christ. I think what you mean to say is, YOU don't believe "the guy" could be a true prophet. 

I disagree with you. 

[iamlamad]

On 5/20/2020 at 5:10 PM, Paul James said:

The problem is that most born-again believers in the denominations wouldn't accept some self-appointed "prophet" who advertises himself as such.   All you have to do is to give one example of a true NT prophet who is recognised by every born-again believer in every denomination.

A true prophet of God would not advertise himself or herself. As an example, did Naaman know about the prophet of God? No, he had to be told. 

Just so you know, a prophet from one Pentecostal denomination may well be heard and believed in many other Pentecostal denominations. 

Question: Is every pastor from every denomination known by every other denominations? Of course the answer is no. Yet, pastors, just like Prophets are place in the body of Christ by God himself - unless it is a self appointed pastor.  Some pastors ARE very well known. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by iamlamad

[Justin Adams]

On 5/20/2020 at 11:46 PM, BeauJangles said:

Amen on that, brother. While I do believe in prophesy and prophetic utterances in the church today, persons who allege themselves as prophets/prophetesses are questionable at best. The same for those who claim to be apostles. Bottom line right there. No one should boast in the Holy Ghost or concerning gifts accordingly. That's not pleasing to God. Period. 

Correct. If you do due dilligence and go to the original site, you might see some disturbing beliefs. The small print..

[BeauJangles]

34 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Correct. If you do due dilligence and go to the original site, you might see some disturbing beliefs. The small print..

Think I'll pass on the opportunity. It might give me a virus or something. A lot of sites like that tend to be somewhat buggy. Do weird things to your computer, etc. It's happened before. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by BeauJangles

[Justin Adams]

23 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Think I'll pass on the opportunity. It might give me a virus or something. A lot of sites like that tend to be somewhat buggy. Do weird things to your computer, etc. It's happened before. 

"Name: Branhamism/The Message
Founder: William Marion Branham
Date of Birth/Death: April 6, 1909 - December 24, 1965
Birth Place: Burksville, Kentucky
Year Found: May 1946

Brief History: William Branham had been hearing voices since he was seven years old. Finally, in May of 1946, Branham was commissioned by an angel from God to be the forerunner of the Second Coming of Christ. He was given two gifts: healing and the word of knowledge. His healing ministry was started.
Sacred Text: The Bible Cult or Sect: Branhamism is a sect for it split from the Pentecostal Movement in the late 1950s when Branham began preaching strange doctrines.

Beliefs: The followers of William Branham believe that he is a prophet sent from God and that we are living in the Age of Laodicea or the final church age. God revealed his word through William Branham (called Brother Branham), Brother Branham is the Voice of God to we who are living in the end-time. The beliefs of the "Branhamites" center around the teachings and revelations of William Branham, especially "The Revelation of the Seven Seals" and "The Seven Church Ages" (these texts can be accessed at http://www.themessage.com/). They do not believe in the Trinity and feel that the denominations do not have the full revelation of Jesus Christ. One of the more radical beliefs of the group is that of Serpent Seed which states that the first sin committed occurred when Eve engaged in sexual activities with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden thus causing "the fall of man."

Remarks: William Branham's credibility (in the eyes of his followers) comes from his miraculous healing ministry and his visions. Despite the fact that Branham is supposed to be the voice of God, he falsely predicted the end of the world to occur in 1977. He stressed that this was a "prediction" and not a "prophecy," however, he never explained the difference between the two terms. Followers of Branham do not view his failure as a sign of his failure as a prophet. They feel that Branham was not speaking the words of God, but his own. Since man is fallible and Branham was a man, his failure does not merit grounds for disbelief of his mission from God. Branham claims that the angel which commissioned him was present with him for his entire life and his followers claim that he fulfills the Biblical prophecy of Malachi 4, 5 and 6 and Revelation 10:7."

http://deceptioninthechurch.com/williambranham1.html

Edited May 23, 2020 by Justin Adams

[dhchristian]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

A true prophet of God would not advertise himself or herself. As an example, did Naaman know about the prophet of God? No, he had to be told. 

Just do you know, a prophet from one Pentecostal denomination may well be heard and believed in many other Pentecostal denominations. 

Question: Is every pastor from every denomination known by every other denominations? Of course the answer is no. Yet, pastors, just like Prophets are place in the body of Christ by God himself - unless it is a self appointed pastor.  Some pastors ARE very well known. 

Though I agree with Branham on his teaching on the church ages, This was not Novel nor created by Him. Others such as A.W. Pink taught this in the early 20th century circa WW1. 

What I think the Laodicean age is founded on is Not based on one man as leader unlike the church ages before such as Luther and Wesley, But rather on a Holy Remnant. Those who led the revival At asuza were nobodies, rejects of Methodism and fundamentalism which had lost their way in textualism. The holiness movement being cast out of Methodism at the time. This Holy Remnant unlike the church ages before does not have a leader or head figure and any who aspire to this will fall victim to their own Pride as Christ is the head of this movement, Via the Holy Ghost. Take the time to read Ephesians 4:11-13 carefully as we are in those times Paul speaks of here, If the saints are being perfected as we speak, and the Holy Ghost is leading them there will be no men to Usurp the holy Ghost, and any who try and put their face on the movement are just that, Usurpers. Whether that is Branham, Roberts, or Kuhlman they all succumbed to Balaam's error when they try and become the face of this final church age. God has chosen the weak of this world, the less intelligent to confound the wise and lofty, as soon as someone tries to rule over this movement the Holy Ghost withdraws and his presence leaves and those leaders spend the rest of their lives trying to regain what they had. some by cunning and craftiness as Eph 4:14 speaks of, Others by out right false doctrine and or false spiritual experience.

I Pray you hear what I am saying, I am not against Pentecostalism and you know that, But I also see what is the root of the Problem you have noticed yourself in Pentecostalism, How the Holy Ghost is manifesting less in them. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Eph. 1;22-23)  When this final church age makes Christ the head of the church is when the unity of the Spirit will come Until then they remain outside of the fulness of Christ and placing man on that throne yields immaturity in Christ As Paul spoke of in 1 Cor. 3:1ff.

Branham was right on his teaching of the church ages, but where he lost his way was when he tried to elevate himself and Branhamism was born as @Justin Adams link discussed. This church does not need men  to lead them, but rather the Holy Ghost, Avoid the "ism" as any "Ism" IS of MAN.