“I will spit you out” ....

[appy]

3 minutes ago, Debp said:

Tony Bennett, such a beautiful voice.   I remember him well.   I also remember Perry Como, another beautiful voice....he was a barber I heard and would sing while cutting hair.   A customer told him he should do it professionally....and look at the career Perry Como had!   Another Christian, I think.

 

You must be on the younger side.  Look up Tony Bennett's I Left My Heart in San Francisco.... it's beautiful.

I'm old enough, did  I say that ? Oh my.... my age is showing.    I've heard the song but when I heard it, it wasn't him that was singing. 

[Alive]

I grew up listening to the crooners. Mom had them on all the time. Huge record collect via the Readers Digest deal.

I still hear those melodies whenever I write a song. Smooth ballads where they sing it like it was wrote.

Not all that strange stuff of today.

LOL

[Behold]

16 hours ago, Not me said:

Jumping for joy in Christ!

And what is it they have overcome?

The fall of Adam, by the new birth in Christ..

Everything after the receiving of this new birth, is a manifestation of the overcoming of that life brought forth by that birth..

A fellow laborer in Christ, Not me 

Lovely.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Isn't it such a JOY to come to a Christian Forum, or stand up in a group and give Christ ALONE all the praise and adoration that He alone deserves for saving us and keeping us saved?

Isn't it a wonderful sound that is found in the ears of God for Him  to hear real born again believers offer God a constant THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU< to the Holy One, = who shed His precious Blood so that we could have a FREE GIFT of Salvation that just keeps us ETERNALLY in the Loving Arms of a Holy GOD?

Isn't it a blessed RELIEF that the Grace of God allows us to not have to work to keep what we could never earn and never keep ourselves?

Isn't it amazing to KNOW that Jesus took our sin, and WE Became His Righteousness?   "the GIFT of Righteousness".....

Its it a Holy Wonder to just worship in the Arms of God's love and feel the blessing of being KEPT SAVED BY GOD's GRACE so that we dont have to worry about this, which allows us the JOY of the Lord,  and the Power to live a Holy Life for Him?

What an Amazing God who would offer such a SALVATION to us,  as a GIFT...

 

Thank you JESUS !

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[OneLight]

14 hours ago, Behold said:

Tbe problem with your theory is that the Charismatic groups are a small minority in the over all total - Body of Christ.

So, the final apostasy is a large one, therefore it can't ONLY be talking about the small Pentecostal-Charismatic-WOF denominations, as you are believing.

It has to be BIG.  They are not a large group, and can't be the final church apostasy, when the other 90% of of the CHURCH is not this little Denom section .

Pride and arrogance can be found in every denomination.  Those who claim they are in need of nothing as they are rich and wealthy doesn't have to me financial only, but also spiritually, but only in this century do you find so many church leaders who have acquired such physical wealth - mansions, jets, multiple homes, etc - all the while asking millions to send them a couple of dollars more.  However, it's hard to see the spiritual side of this group, but as exposure to them grows, it does become easier as you listen to them long enough.  Yet, we are not God and He knows who these are and I am sure He will convict them personally so there will be no excuse if they do not repent.

Now, as for what you posted, can you explain what and who you are talking about in your last sentence?  You first claim "It has to be BIG."  Then, your very next words are "They are not a large group".  Are you saying 2 Thessalonians 2:3 does not include those in Revelation 3:14-22?

[Alive]

Here is a question meant to generate thought and not argument.

What was it that Paul battled against most? It seems to me that whatever that was, that the enemy would have continued to do and even refined as well as given many faces.

 

[OneLight]

15 hours ago, Behold said:

The great apostasy is the "Error of Cain"..

Jude 1:11

Its when the majority of the "modern church" has "fallen from Grace" and is now teaching a gospel of works, in place of the Gospel of Grace.

This has happened worldwide.   Just look at this forum..   You have people kicking against Grace here..

Its the teaching that Grace, is a license to sin.  And what that tries to do, is put the believer under bondage to works to try to keep themselves saved, and this rejects GRACE and the Blood of Jesus.

Its a Satanic twisting of the Gospel of Grace .

Its a denial that the Blood Atonement is Eternal.   

Here is how it sounds..."yes, the blood atonement is eternal, as long as.......as long as you .......as long as YOU DO.......THIS......and THIS...and WORKS....

Its the replacing of the Gospel of Grace, as the gospel of works..

Its the "error of Cain".

Thats the great or final Apostasy.

Did you read this my Theology Thead...... "Pick a side....Take a Stand"    ???

 

 It'l help you to see how to recognize the Apostate.

 

The Great Apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 includes the mindset of Cain, but is not just that mindset.  Your theology really hates the word works, as you come against works in just about every post you make.  Is it even possible in your mind that your definition of works is so narrow it destroys the "good works" we are to do in Him?  You never make any distinction between them, so it is impossible to say just by reading what you post.  If you can't see the difference, there is a huge issue with your theology against works than just what I see.  What do you think of the Book of James and the works he speaks of?

As for your thread about your theology - I stated reading it but noticed that it just regurgitates what you have been saying all along.  Your hatred for any type of works does not set well with what I have found in scripture for so many years.  I do agree that there are those who do believe that one must do works for salvation, but I do not agree that everyone who do good works fall into that category.  I refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, OneLight said:

The Great Apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 includes the mindset of Cain, but is not just that mindset.  Your theology really hates the word works, as you come against works in just about every post you make.  Is it even possible in your mind that your definition of works is so narrow it destroys the "good works" we are to do in Him?  You never make any distinction between them, so it is impossible to say just by reading what you post.  If you can't see the difference, there is a huge issue with your theology against works than just what I see.  What do you think of the Book of James and the works he speaks of?

As for your thread about your theology - I stated reading it but noticed that it just regurgitates what you have been saying all along.  Your hatred for any type of works does not set well with what I have found in scripture for so many years.  I do agree that there are those who do believe that one must do works for salvation, but I do not agree that everyone who do good works fall into that category.  I refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That is not Behold's theology. He has a solid understanding of the works and holiness that comes from Christ in us, etc.

He mentioned works so much as a juxtaposition against Grace for Salvation. If you read his stuff, that will be clear to you.

[OneLight]

15 hours ago, Behold said:

No, it apples to every person ever born, since the Cross was raised.

Thats not narrow, that everyone.

ALL.....must REPENT of their Unbelief........every human being born since the Cross was raised.

That reality is related to every persons born since the Cross was raised.

Repent of unbelief, and TRUST CHRIST.

Are we both talking about Revelation 3 - the church of the Laodiceans?  Jesus is warning those who are His, not everyone born since the cross.  Please do every reader great service  by taking off your blinders when you wish to reply to specific posts where we are talking of those who have already accepted Christ.  I am sure those who are saved understand the need for salvation, but not every discussion is about turning to Christ for the first time.

[steve morrow]

REPENT 

 

MARK 1:14  now after that john was put into prison  JESUS  came into galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of  GOD   --1:15-- and saying the time is fulfilled and the kingdom of  GOD  is at hand  --- REPENT  YE  AND  BELIEVE  THE  GOSPEL ---

MARK 8:35  for whosoever will --- SAVE  HIS  LIFE  SHALL  LOSE  IT ---  but whosoever  shall lose his life for --- MY  SAKE  AND  THE  GOSPELS  THE  SAME  SHALL  SAVE  IT 

 

1 TIMOTHY 1:8  but we know that the law is good if a man use it lawfully  --1:9-- knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient --- FOR  THE  UNGODLY  AND  FOR  SINNERS --- for unholy and profane for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers for manslayers  --1:10-- for whoremongers for them that defile themselves with mankind for menstealers --FOR LIARS-- for perjured persons and if there be any other thing that is contrary --- TO  SOUND  DOCTRINE --- 

******* 1:11-- ACCORDING  TO  THE  GLORIOUS  GOSPEL  OF  THE  BLESSED  GOD  WHICH  WAS  COMMITTED  TO  MY  TRUST******* 

 

HEBREWS 5:9  AND  BEING  MADE  PERFECT  --HE--  BECAME  THE  AUTHOR  OF  ETERNAL  SALVATION  UNTO  ALL  THEM  --- THAT  OBEY  HIM ---

 

LUKE 8:21  and  HE  answered  and said unto them --- MY  MOTHER  AND  MY  BRETHREN  ARE  THESE  WHICH  HEAR  THE  WORD  GOD  AND  DO  IT

 

PSALM 97:12  rejoice in  THE  LORD  you righteous and give thanks at the remembrance of  HIS  holiness 

 

PROVERBS 21:30  THERE  IS  NO  WISDOM  NOR  UNDERSTANDING  NOR  COUNSEL  AGAINST  ---THE  LORD---

 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

[Behold]

41 minutes ago, OneLight said:

 

Now, as for what you posted, can you explain what and who you are talking about in your last sentence?  You first claim "It has to be BIG."  

Sure.

Final Apostasy, is regarding the entire FINAL modern church, its almost all believers, and not just one selected group of charismatics that you are describing.

The Falling Away,  is in fact a nearly universal body of christ "falling from Grace"

See, "falling away"< means you had something, and you LEFT IT....you fell from it.....You once had it and then you LATER repented BACKWARDS of the Truth,  and became an apostate, and in this context of  "falling away", that is "most of the Body"....So, its a HUGE falling away that is related to not just a few million charismatics, as you are describing.

The falling away, the great apostasy is JUDE 1.   Its the falling from the TRUE GOSPEL .....by falling from GRACE = INTO the false gospel...  The Devil's gospel.

its simply a complete separation from the Gospel of Grace into The Gospel of Works .

Its falling from GRACE into a lie that TEACHES the substituted FALSE gospel or the:  "error of Cain".

Paul refers to this as "who has BEWITCHED YOU, that you should NO LONGER OBEY THE TRUTH"..

Its that Apostasy.  THAT is the "falling away", end time SIGN.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Behold