THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION IS FOR ISRAEL

[Justin Adams]

Is that the go-to passage of the dispensationalist? Is it the proof text?

Dispensationalism is not a biblical concept, nor is it found anywhere in the Bible. It is a theological system of organizing and understanding God's work, but it is not itself Scripture.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, Roar said:

The purpose of the Body of Christ is to 1. spread the good news of Jesus and His salvation to the whole world, 2. prepare for the marriage supper of the Lamb(Revelation 19:6-9), 3. be prepared for Jesus Second Coming!

The remnant of Israel will be saved when they see Him they pierced (Romans 11:25-27 & Zechariah 12) for Jesus will rule and reign from Jerusalem for a Thousand Years before the New Earth and New Jerusalem come as is stated in Revelation 20: 4-6 & Revelation 21. 

Shalom, Roar.

Umm... not precisely. The purpose of the "BODY OF CHRIST," according to Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, was to SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER! That was the whole analogy's purpose! Consider:

1 Corinthians 12:1-27 (KJV)

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole werehearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

While it is the DUTY of each disciple of the Messiah Yeshua` to "spread the good news of Jesus and His salvation [justification] to the whole world," it is not said to be a purpose of the "church" itself. Regarding the other two "purposes," Yeshua` said that He would NOT drink from the fruit of the vine until He could drink it new with them in His Kingdom, and wine is an intricate part of the Jewish wedding feast. Since new wine is harvested and stomped upon the ground - the earth, and since His Kingdom is the Kingdom of David as Yeshua` reigns from His father David's throne, this won't take place until He has returned, but, yes, we are to be prepared and awaiting His return.

Don't limit the Remnant of Israel to being saved when our Lord Yeshua` returns. Although that will cinch it for many children of Israel, many are ALREADY beginning to recognize Yeshua` as the Messiah of God!

There's a bit more to Zkharyahuw's prophecy in chapter 12 than most see without looking in Luke 3! Zkharyahuw's prophecy says:

Zechariah 12:6-14 (KJV)

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart;
the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart;
the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart;
the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

I didn't notice this right away, until I was looking into the Complete Jewish Bible in which the last few verses read,

Z'kharyah (Zechariah) 12:12-14 (CJB)

12 Then the land will mourn,
every family by itself --
the family of the house of David by itself,
and their wives by themselves,
the family of the house of Natan by itself,
and their wives by themselves,
13 the family of the house of Levi by itself,
and their wives by themselves,
the family of the Shim`i by itself,
and their wives by themselves,
14 all the remaining families, each by itself,
and their wives by themselves.

Then, I read Luke 3:23-38 in the CJB:

Luke 3:23-38 (CJB)

23 Yeshua was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry. It was supposed that he was a son of Yosef who was of Eli,
24 of Mattat, of Levi, of Malki, of Yannai, of Yosef,
25 of Mattityahu, of Amotz, of Nachum, of Hesli, of Naggai,
26 of Machat, of Mattityahu, of Shim`i, of Yosef, of Yodah,
27 of Yochanan, of Reisha, of Z'rubavel, of Sh'altiel, of Neri,
28 of Malki, of Addi, of Kosam, of Elmadan, of Er,
29 of Yeshua, of Eli'ezer, of Yoram, of Mattat, of Levi,
30 of Shim`on, of Y'hudah, of Yosef, of Yonam, of Elyakim,
31 of Mal'ah, of Manah, of Mattatah, of Natan, of David,
32 of Yishai, of Oved, of Bo`az, of Salmon, of Nachshon,
33 of Amminadav, of Admin, of Arni, of Hetzron, of Peretz, of Y'hudah,
34 of Ya`akov, of Yitz'chak, of Avraham, of Terach, of Nachor,
35 of S'rug, of Re`u, of Peleg, of `Ever, of Shelah,
36 of Keinan, of Arpakhshad, of Shem, of Noach, of Lemekh,
37 of Metushelach, of Hanokh, of Yered, of Mahalal'el, of Kenan,
38 of Enosh, of Shet, of Adam, of God.

Thus, it occurred to me that the reason why these verses were worded this way was because they were the ancestors of Yeshua`! It's NO WONDER they were in mourning of Him "as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn!" As His ancestors, He WAS the descendant of their only son or of their firstborn son, if they had more than one son!

THAT'S why they will mourn for Him!

4 hours ago, Roar said:

Revelation 20:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for ^[a]a thousand years. ⁵ But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. ⁶ Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Recall Gavri'el's ("Gabriel's") words to Miryam ("Mary"):

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

These are just the FIRST one thousand years of His reign!

Also, we read,

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it (the city New Jerusalem), and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 20 is merely talking about the time when haSatan is locked away in the Abyss (the Bottomless Pit) for those one thousand years before he is released and the Great White Throne Judgment begins.

Oh, and it's also important to understand that Revelation 20:5b is talking about 20:4, not the parenthetical 20:5a. The rest of the dead are raised to life by the Messiah when they stand before Him a thousand years later at the Great White Throne Judgment in 20:11-15.

4 hours ago, Roar said:

The restoration of the Kingdom of Israel as it is spoken of by the Hebrew Prophets:

Isaiah Chapter 11

Jeremiah 23:3-8

Isaiah 60:18-21

Ezekiel 28:25-26

Ezekiel 34:11-12

Ezekiel 36:24-26

Ezekiel 39:28

Jeremiah 31:31-34

Jeremiah 32:37-40

Jeremiah 33:6-9

Joel 2:18-29

Amos 9:14-15

Micah 2:12

Micah 4:6-7

Zephaniah 3:19-20

Zechariah 8:7-8

Zechariah 13:8-9

Thank you for these passages. It's always good to remind ourselves fully of what is yet to come!

4 hours ago, Roar said:

Revelation 21 New King James Version (NKJV)

All Things Made New

21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. ² Then I, ^[a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ³ And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. ⁴ And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

⁵ Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said ^[b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

⁶ And He said to me, “It^[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. ⁷ He who overcomes ^[d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. ⁸ But the cowardly, ^[e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The New Jerusalem

⁹ Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came ^[f]to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the ^[g]bride, the Lamb’s wife.” ¹⁰ And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the ^[h]great city, the ^[i]holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ¹¹ having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. ¹² Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ¹³ three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.

¹⁴ Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the ^[j]names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. ¹⁵ And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. ¹⁶ The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand ^[k]furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal. ¹⁷ Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. ¹⁸ The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. ¹⁹ The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, ²⁰ the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. ²¹ The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.

The Glory of the New Jerusalem

²² But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. ²³ The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine ^[l]in it, for the ^[m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. ²⁴ And the nations ^[n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor ^[o]into it. ²⁵ Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). ²⁶ And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into ^[p]it. ²⁷ But there shall by no means enter it anything ^[q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Zechariah 12 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Coming Deliverance of Judah

12 The ^[a]burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: ² “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of ^[b]drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. ³ And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. ⁴ In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. ⁵ And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ ⁶ In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.

⁷ “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. ⁸ In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. ⁹ It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Mourning for the Pierced One

¹⁰ “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. ¹¹ In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of ^[c]Megiddo. ¹² And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; ¹³ the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; ¹⁴ all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

 

I really love these passages of Scripture! Just be sure you know which parts are about Yeshua`s Return at the Second Coming and which parts are about the Re-forming of the Earth and Sky and the landing of the New Jerusalem. These two events are separated by the first 1,000 years of Yeshua`s reign.

[Retrobyter]

16 hours ago, douge said:

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Both heaven and earth will be gathered in one

Shalom, douge.

Ephesians 1:10 is not talking about the gathering together of "heaven and earth" but rather the "THINGS" "which are in heaven (the sky) and which are on earth (on the ground)!

Know the difference between the CONTAINERS and their CONTENTS!

[douge]

On 7/3/2020 at 6:04 PM, Roar said:

I didn't say that theology was to be taken above the Word; so answer your own question. I believe the Word of God stand above ALL!

douge said, "Jesus speaking of his physical bodily sacrifice does not refer to the body of Christ, with Christ the head of the body, the church.."? Say that again in plain english so that it can be understood.

Romans 16:7 New King James Version (NKJV)

⁷ Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

So exactly how did do you get "The believing remnant of Israel, are also in Christ, however, they are not in the body" out of Romans 16:7 above?

I was only saying that in regards to theology, consensus does not always dictate truth:

In Christian theology, the term Body of Christ has two main but separate meanings: it may refer to Jesus' words over the bread at the celebration of the Jewish feast of Passover that "This is my body" in Luke 22:19–20 (see Last Supper),

I was saying that Christ was speaking of his physical bodily sacrifice in saying "this is my body", not the body of Christ. The body of Christ is spiritual, reflecting that each member is part of his body, with Christ the head. We are not actual members of his physical body.

or it may refer to all individuals who are "in Christ" 1 Corinthians 12:12–14 

As well as Romans 16:7.....in Christ does not merely refer to the body of Christ. The remnant of Israel in the church of God that Paul persecuted, before the body of Christ was being formed or revealed, were in Christ.

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, douge said:

I was only saying that in regards to theology, consensus does not always dictate truth:

In Christian theology, the term Body of Christ has two main but separate meanings: it may refer to Jesus' words over the bread at the celebration of the Jewish feast of Passover that "This is my body" in Luke 22:19–20 (see Last Supper),

I was saying that Christ was speaking of his physical bodily sacrifice in saying "this is my body", not the body of Christ. The body of Christ is spiritual, reflecting that each member is part of his body, with Christ the head. We are not actual members of his physical body.

or it may refer to all individuals who are "in Christ" 1 Corinthians 12:12–14 

As well as Romans 16:7.....in Christ does not merely refer to the body of Christ. The remnant of Israel in the church of God that Paul persecuted, before the body of Christ was being formed or revealed, were in Christ.

Shalom, douge.

Have you even stopped to consider that when you use the term "Body of Christ," you are actually saying the "Body of the Messiah?" or the "Nefesh haMashiyach" in Hebrew, the "soul of the Messiah?" (And, I use the word "nefesh" because we're not talking about a DEAD "back" or "geviyaah," or a corpse or "nveelaah"; we're talking about a live, AIR-BREATHING body!)

Thus, it all comes down to whether the author writing was referring to the LITERAL body of the Messiah or to an ANALOGICAL body of the Messiah, whether that analogy is found in the "bread" and "wine," or in the way that people work together for a common purpose like the body's members work together for a common purpose.

Analogies are NOT to be used in a permanent way, like a label. They are normally a ONE-TIME literary device that only serves the purpose while the author is writing about a subject that can benefit from that analogy! Once that writing is complete, the analogy is released.

NO ANALOGY IS PERFECT! It will ALWAYS break down if pushed past its limit of the text! For instance, some people will use the egg analogy for the Trinity; however, when pushed past its limit of three things to combine as one object, the analogy breaks down! Which part, the shell, the yoke, or the white, represents the Father? Which one represents the Son? Which one represents the Holy Spirit? See what I mean? The analogy will ALWAYS be flawed compared to the actual thing or things it represents!

I think, if you study it out, you will find that a "group of people who trust God for His Messiah, His Representative King" have been around a LOT longer than just after the Messiah's Resurrection!

[douge]

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, douge.

Have you even stopped to consider that when you use the term "Body of Christ," you are actually saying the "Body of the Messiah?" or the "Nefesh haMashiyach" in Hebrew, the "soul of the Messiah?" (And, I use the word "nefesh" because we're not talking about a DEAD "back" or "geviyaah," or a corpse or "nveelaah"; we're talking about a live, AIR-BREATHING body!)

Thus, it all comes down to whether the author writing was referring to the LITERAL body of the Messiah or to an ANALOGICAL body of the Messiah, whether that analogy is found in the "bread" and "wine," or in the way that people work together for a common purpose like the body's members work together for a common purpose.

Analogies are NOT to be used in a permanent way, like a label. They are normally a ONE-TIME literary device that only serves the purpose while the author is writing about a subject that can benefit from that analogy! Once that writing is complete, the analogy is released.

NO ANALOGY IS PERFECT! It will ALWAYS break down if pushed past its limit of the text! For instance, some people will use the egg analogy for the Trinity; however, when pushed past its limit of three things to combine as one object, the analogy breaks down! Which part, the shell, the yoke, or the white, represents the Father? Which one represents the Son? Which one represents the Holy Spirit? See what I mean? The analogy will ALWAYS be flawed compared to the actual thing or things it represents!

I think, if you study it out, you will find that a "group of people who trust God for His Messiah, His Representative King" have been around a LOT longer than just after the Messiah's Resurrection!

I guess we can leave it at that.... I will say that either we are in Adam or in Christ...in Adam all will die and in Christ all are made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, douge said:

I guess we can leave it at that.... I will say that either we are in Adam or in Christ...in Adam all will die and in Christ all are made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

Shalom, douge.

We are "in Adam" or "in Christ" ("in the Messiah") or BOTH! And, when you add the word "all" to both (as do the Scriptures) then ALL SHALL die in Adam (just as we are doing currently) AND ALL SHALL be made alive in the Messiah! If you follow the logic of 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, both the just and the unjust shall be made alive by the Messiah, some to eternal joys and some to condemnation, which is also what Yeshua` Himself said in John 5:

John 5:19-30 (KJV)

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

See how that matches with Paul's words to the ekkleesia in Korinth:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (the just)
24 (2) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (the just and the unjust, ALL the rest)

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (the SECOND death) 27 For "he hath put all things under his feet." (Psalm 8:6) (But when he saith, "all things are put under him," it is manifest (obvious) that "he" (God His Father) is excepted, which did "put all things under him.") 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

"The end" here (in verse 24) is the "Great White Throne Judgment" when Yeshua` the Messiah of God will raise to life even the unjust that they may be judged and sentenced accordingly. Thus, this passage harmonizes with Revelation 20:

Revelation 20:1-15 (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy ishe that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[Retrobyter]

On 6/30/2020 at 7:13 PM, douge said:

Sorry, but I responded as best I could, and where I could, and as to the best I am able to understand what you are saying.

Pentecost was the pouring out of the Spirit to empower the remnant to go through the tribulation and then enter the kingdom on earth....this was set aside and interrupted by the dispensation of grace.

I'm concerned that you would even take this stance initially. This is what led to the idea of a "gospel of grace" for the "dispensation of grace" that was different than the "gospel of the Kingdom" which Yochanan, Yeshua`, and the disciples taught in the accounts of Yeshua`s First Advent (the "Gospels").

Let's look at Paul's words to the churches in the province of Galatia:

Galatians 1:1-24 (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle (one sent), (not of men [from men], neither by man, but by Jesus Christ [by the Messiah Yeshua`], and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ (from our Master the Messiah Yeshua`), 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ (called you into the Messiah's grace) unto another gospel (good news): 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ (the Messiah's gospel, the Messiah's good news). 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel (herald any other good news) unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ (the Messiah's slave).

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel (good news) which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man (from any man), neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (the Messiah Yeshua`s revealing).

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God (God's called out group), and wasted it: 14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen (herald Him among the Gentiles); immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles (ones sent out) before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. 19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. 20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. 21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia; 22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ (in the Messiah): 23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. 24 And they glorified God in me.

Now, there are two ways of looking at this text: First, one could see that Paul was referring to the gospel of grace and that any other gospel heralded by another person would be this "another gospel," OR that Paul was referring to the Messiah's gospel as he himself did herald and that any other person who would try to SEPARATE these into two different gospels was teaching "another gospel."

I believe the correct way to interpret this passage is the SECOND way. That's something you might do well to consider.

[douge]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Now, there are two ways of looking at this text: First, one could see that Paul was referring to the gospel of grace and that any other gospel heralded by another person would be this "another gospel," OR that Paul was referring to the Messiah's gospel as he himself did herald and that any other person who would try to SEPARATE these into two different gospels was teaching "another gospel."

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Another gospel was a different gospel other than that gospel Paul preached unto the Galatians. 

The gospel of the grace of Christ was what was revealed to Paul by Jesus Galatians 1:12

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by douge