Mary Was Just A Woman

[Iryssa]

I agree that Mary was an ordinary woman...a woman who recieved a great blessing, and who was a good person, but a woman all the same.

Also, I thought that talking to dead people was something only necromancers do.

[irishcowboy]

please do not pray to me after I leave this shell here on this earth ( meaning when i die ) no matter how "good" i am... no matter what people think of me, please do not pray to me after i die.....

why???

cause i am not omni-present, nor am i omni-potent.... i am not everywhere, nor am i all knowing, and i have trouble enough listening to just one person talking at a time, much less trying to listen to many people at one time.....

mike

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

Looks like ya'll have spent some valuable time in posting here . I will post a reponse in the next few days sometime. I'm like REALLY busy with some of my on line ministries and reponsiblities.

Just wanted you to know that I'm still here and not ignoring this thread

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

please do not pray to me after I leave this shell here on this earth ( meaning when i die ) no matter how "good" i am... no matter what people think of me, please do not pray to me after i die.....

why???

cause i am not omni-present, nor am i omni-potent.... i am not everywhere, nor am i all knowing, and i have trouble enough listening to just one person talking at a time, much less trying to listen to many people at one time.....

mike

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[Pax]

I'm almost always shocked when I talk to my Catholic friends. They believe Mary is sinless and some actually believe she was another form of God. Mostof them actually pray to her instead of Jesus. Growing up Catholic myself I always knew there was something seriously wrong with that. Now I consider it blasphemous. Mary gave birth to Jesus. End of story. Was she mentioned in a divine way anywhere else in the New Testament besides the four gospels? God the Father is, Jesus definitely was, the Holy Spirit is but where is Mary? This should be a hint that Mary was just an ordinary woman who was chosen to carry the Messiah. There is nothing divine about her. There should be no prayer to her. The only link between God and man is Jesus no one else. Catholicism needs leaders who will go into the Bible and review these things and make them right. They shouldn't mislead people because their too afraid to admit they were mistaken which they have a history of doing. I apologize to any Catholics I might have offended but this has to be said. I worry too much about the souls of my friends who believe this nonsense.

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unv477,

You may of been born and raised in the catholic Church, but unfortunantly from what you have written, you weren't ever taught what the Catholic Church teaches. Unfortunantly, many Catholics are in the same boat. You are correct that the Church teaches that Mary was sinless, but thats about all that you got right. The Church has never taught that Mary is another God, and Catholics don't worship Mary, but rather honor her. I have to laugh when you call Mary just "another women". God picked this women to carry Jesus (God/Man) and be his mother on Earth. This honor would be set aside for a very special women, not just "another women" as you put it. Do a google search and check out a Catholic leader named Scott Hahn. He knows the Bible cover to cover and can totally defend the Catholic Church by using the Bible. You don't need to apologize to me, I need to apologize to you. I'm sorry that you were not properly taught what the Catholic Church teaches and believes growing up.

[PwrInTheBld]

ChristinaJMJ....could you please tell me what Tob. 12:12 is???

[Iryssa]

K, let's get one thing straight, though; Unless Mary was of God's seed herself, she could not be sinless. Was Mary of two natural parents? I would say so. Therefore, she would have sin in her, because of Adam's sin.

"Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come." - Romans 5:14

Nowhere in that passage does it say "except Mary."

I'm not saying she didn't receive grace. As the Bible says;

"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

- Romans 5:18&19

The point is, she could not possibly have been BORN sinless.

Edit: Sorry, had to add a couple times: I kept hitting "enter" and it posted before its time *rueful grin*

[Guest showeredwithgrace]

I don't understand why the vain discussion let's go into the word. In Mat 6:9-14 Jesus Himself taught us how to pray. He never mention praying to mary.

[nebula]

I have to laugh when you call Mary just "another women".  God picked this women to carry Jesus (God/Man) and be his mother on Earth.  This honor would be set aside for a very special women, not just "another women" as you put it. 

How come the Catholic Church never gives similar honor to Joseph?

I mean, after all, he had to be someone very, very special to in order to be given the charge of raising Jesus as a father to a son as well!

[other one]

ChristinaJMJ....could you please tell me what Tob. 12:12 is???

Edited July 21, 2005 by Dr. Luke