Name That King! Revealing the Beast.

[luigi]

3 minutes ago, The Light said:

Hi Luigi,

We have the Hebrew word heylel in Isaiah 14:2 . If you are translating to Latin the translation is lucifer. If you are translating to english, the translation is morning star, bearing light.

Your choices are to recognize the error in the translation or not. Pretty simple. If you do not recognize the error then you can go on believing that Satan is a MAN who is a Babylonian king and an Assyrian. You will also charge on with an erroneous piece of information as a cornerstone of your understanding.

As for me, I'm going to go with the truth. I realize that Satan is not a man. I also recognize that lucifer is a Latin word, that means morning star. A little common sense should tell you that the translators of the KJV took a Latin word and capitalized it. If you translate the Hebrew word heylel to English it does not translate to a proper name Lucifer.

Charge on.

Hi again The Light.

I can accept either morning star (as a new dawn), which I explained; and I can accept Lucifer, who enlightens, but with deceiving illumination that causes destruction. They are the same.

I also explained that the man who consumes and destroys the whole world, including his own land in Isaiah 14, who is also described as the king of Babylon, I see representing the whole of Babylon, as well as the beast. This entity who destroys the whole world in Isaiah 14, also appears in Daniel 7:23 as the fourth beast who devours the whole earth. And as the fourth beast in Daniel 7 has 10 horns, we then see this beast also in Revelation 13, who rises from the sea, when the dragon/Lucifer/the morning star provides him his power in order to usher in a new dawn.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, iamlamad said:

First off, we can't or shouldn't form doctrine from an isolated passage: our theory must fit EVERY end time verse.  If we compare 1 thes. 4 & 5 with Paul here in 1 Cor. 15, it is ONLY THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST that receive resurrection bodies at this time. Rev. 20 agrees and proves this too. 

Can you find "coming" at the 7th (trumpet? vial?). I cannot. I can find coming in 1 thes. I can SEE coming in Rev. 19. Many imagine a coming at the 7th trumpet. I don't: there is only two more comings, first a coming FOR His bride, then 7 years later a coming WITH His bride. 

With this theory, you will be robbing God of any chance to repopulate earth - which is CERTAINLY His plan  with natural people left alive for his Millennial reign. 

Do you not like GODS WORDS?   Why never give scriptures?   Do you find you can't go very far without running into road blocks?  But I can't complain as it gives me yet another opportunity to put forth GODS WORDS.  And I do so love Gods Word.  

So,  I'll  do  what you have stated and NOT FORM DOCTRINE OF my  OWN and read Gods Word as written.  If you have a retort, please use the same format so EVERYONE can see how "what you state is GODS WORD",  ACTUALLY IS GODS WORD.  I have gone a little before and a little after.  It is super straight forward and clear if you are getting just what God is saying.  
 

1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

1 Thessalonians 4:10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;

1 Thessalonians 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

1 Thessalonians 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

Hopefully all that is coming across straight forward to you,  as it is to me.  


NOW WE ARE GIVEN A CHANGE OF SUBJECT.

GOD IS ABOUT TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENS WHEN the flesh dies, WHERE WE GO then what happens after that.  

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
DON'T REMAIN IGNORANT, ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THOSE YOU LOVE,  DIE.  Definitely DON'T BE SAD LIKE THE HEATHEN, thinking that is the last of them or  YOU HAVE NO HOPE OF EVER SEEING THEM AGAIN. 

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
BECAUSE WE KNOW CHRIST DIED AND CHRIST ROSE, SO TO do OUR LOVED ONES. Those WHICH DIED AS CHRISTIANS, ARE GOING TO BE BEING BROUGHT BACK when Jesus returns. 

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NO WORD ABOUT OUR LOVED ONES BEING BROUGHT BACK FOR "OUR GATHERING" TO ESCORT US BACK TO HEAVEN.  NO WORD ABOUT ALL OF US RETURNING TO HEAVEN AT ALL.   NO MENTION OF GOING BACK FOR  A WEDDING.  What is said is they are coming back. 

(NOW OF COURSE YOU COULD BE ONE OF THOSE WHO LIKES TO "ADD" TO THE WORD OF GOD AND SAY THEY ARE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH,  TO BE TAKEN BACK TO HEAVEN,  TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH.   
Making the PRE TRIB RAPTURE scenario,  BUT IT IS ONLY WITH "ADDING" TO THE WORD IT WOULD BECOME POSSIBLE

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
GODS WORD TELLS US THAT OUR LOVED ONES GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE.  THEY DON'T GO INTO A HOLE IN THE GROUND along with their flesh body,  to BE HELD THERE DECAYING AND WAITING UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS only then TO BE RESURRECTED.  And there will be no going into the grave/WAITING IN THE GRAVE/decaying in the grave along with the flesh body UNTIL ALL ARE DEAD.  

WE HAVE TWO BODIES.  AN EARTHLY ONE AND A HEAVENLY ONE.  TO BE ABSENT FROM ONE MEANS YOU ARE IN THE OTHER.  FLESH AND BLOOD, THE TERRESTRIAL BODY, CAN'T GO TO PARADISE.  SO AS SOON AS THE FLESH BODY DIES, THE SPIRITUAL BODY GOES TO PARADISE.  
 

1  Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
SO THE LORD IS DESCENDING, DEAD ARE RISING, which leaves
 

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
GODS ELECT.  THOSE WHO HAVE OVERCOME.  NOT TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST. THOSE WHO HAVE ENDURED TO THE END.  THOSE WHO WILL "BE CHANGED"  LIKE ENOCH and  ELIJAH, (POSSIBLY MOSES).   THOSE ON WHO THE SECOND DEATH HAS NOTHING.  THOSE WHO WILL REIGN WITH CHRIST FOR THE 1000 YEARS having been THROUGHLY PROVED/TESTED, gospel armor withstanding the fiery darts, AND READY TO BE PRIESTS OF GOD.   THE ONE AND ONLY TIME A "GROUP" IS "CAUGHT UP" is at the very very  very end of this age.  For all others 

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So will all be JOINED UP  FOR THE LORDS DAY, HERE ON EARTH.  WHERE GOD WILL BE DWELLING WITH US.  WHERE JUDGEMENT WILL TAKE PLACE.  the lake of fire, the wedding. new Jerusalem.... 

1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
SO CHILL OUT AND RELAX WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES THIS FLESH BODY.    AFTER ALL THEY HAVE GONE ON TO BE WITH THE LORD. If you are going to cry, cry for yourself.  That is the only "left behind" that I know of.  But, don't forget,  THEY ARE COMING RIGHT BACK.  YOU ARE GONNA SEE THEM SOON ENOUGH.  THINK ABOUT IT, THEY ARE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN YOU ARE AND THEY WILL BE UNTIL YOU ALSO GET TO SHED THIS FLESH BODY AND  LEAVE THIS CORRUPTED WORLD. (UNDER THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR). 

NO WONDER GOD SAYS TO MORN A BIRTH AND REJOICE IN A DEATH.  WE have to leave our Father when we are born of the womb (born from above and of water)  and GET TO GO BACK TO OUR FATHER WHEN WE DIE.  I SAY "YE HAW" CAN'T HARDLY WAIT.  

BUT I DO. 

JUST IN CASE GOD HAS A JOB FOR ME TO DO.  I AM MORE THAN WILLING "TO BE GIVEN UP TO DEATH".  (BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT HONOR IS FOR THOSE OF A WAY BETTER "REPRESENTATION" OF A CHRISTIAN THAN I).  SO I KEEP TRYING TO BE MORE HOLY EVERYDAY IN THE HOPES OF BEING ONE WHO WILL STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END.  TEST ME/PROVE ME/ BEHEAD ME.  FOR GOD???  ABSOLUTELY, WHENEVER, WHEREEVER.  GO THROUGH SOME ROUGH TIMES TO STAND UP FOR THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS??  The Creator of me.  The One who loves me.   NO PROBLEM.  OVERCOMING WITH THE POWER given THROUGH THE NAME OF THE LORD, SERIOUSLY, NO PROBLEM.  AND  THERE ARE MORE LIKE ME.  PUT ME IN THE GAME COACH, I AM READY TO PLAY.  I AM SUITED UP.  I GOT THE RULES DOWN.  I KNOW YOU WILL NEVER LEAVE ME NOR FORSAKE ME.  I HAVE FAITH AND BELIEVE IT ALL YOUR PROMISES AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE REWARDS THAT SHALL COME AFTER. 

ETERNAL LIFE IS GONNA BE, HOW DOES GOD PUT IT?  

1 Corinthians 2
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE SHEDDING OF THIS FLESH BODY WITH ALL OF ITS AGING, AILMENTS, PAIN ECT.   I'VE BEEN READY FOR A LONG TIME.  AND I HAVE BEEN INVESTING IN THIS NEXT PHASE OF LIFE, KNOWING  THE ONLY THING WE CAN TAKE WITH US.  I CAN'T WAIT FOR JUDGEMENT DAY WHEN ALL EVIL WILL BE WIPED OUT!   AND ALL REWARDS GIVEN.  

 

 

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1Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

1Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
And I know that the day of the Lord will not come as a thief in the night for me! 
But look at what is WRITTEN. 
WE KNOW THE SEASON - WE WILL BE HERE. 
WE KNOW THE DAY OF THE LORD THAT COMES AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT COMES TO "THEM" AS SUCH. , NOT TO US  -  WRITTEN AS IF WE WILL BE HERE

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
For when "THEY" shall say, then "THEY" shall not escape.  THEY will be saying "peace and safety"?  Doesn't sound like some crazy beheading maniac is running around killing everyone, at least not physically.  Spiritually?  Lots of dead.  And those who are spiritually dead when the True Christ returns, they will remain spiritually dead until Satan is loosed once again.  WHY?  Because they will have to be proved/tested, just like us of this fig tree generation.  And do you see what is written?  DESTRUCTION COMES UPON THEM.  NOT US.  Do you have faith in God?  Do you believe that there were 3 put in a fiery furnace and that not a hair on there head was touched.  Didn't even smell of smoke,  did they? 

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
AND WHY DOES THAT DAY NOT COME AS A THIEF TO "US"?  Because we are not in darkness.  We are of the Light.  Our lamps are not only lit, we have plenty of "OIL" so that they will stay lit.  We will  have NO NEED to go to buy and sell in the darkness/tribulation.  We are not foolish.  Gods Word has made us wise.    We have put on the gospel armor and IT is what  allows us to STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END.   

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
IN THE NIGHT.  IN THE NIGHT.  

Do you remember what was happening the last time the fallen angels were here? 

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

Continuing on

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
LET "US", WHO OBVIOUSLY WILL BE HERE, ARMOR UP. 

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
BECAUSE WHEN THE LORD RETURNS, THE TESTING/PROVING IS ENDED, AND GODS WRATH IS ABOUT TO BE POURED OUT.  NOT ON US, BUT THEM.  

1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
SO WHETHER I AM ALIVE IN THE FLESH, OR DEAD IN THE FLESH, MY SOUL IN MY SPIRITUAL BODY WILL BE LIVING WITH CHRIST.  

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Just doing some "edifying".  

 on to Corinth

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Do you not like GODS WORDS?   Why never give scriptures?   Do you find you can't go very far without running into road blocks?  But I can't complain as it gives me yet another opportunity to put forth GODS WORDS.  And I do so love Gods Word.  

I don't think most people like to read long posts: I try to keep mine as short as possible. However, I DID give scripture:  "If we compare 1 thes. 4 & 5 with Paul here in 1 Cor. 15, it is ONLY THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST that receive resurrection bodies..."

I don't run into road blocks. 

See? A short and concise post. 

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

NO WORD ABOUT OUR LOVED ONES BEING BROUGHT BACK FOR "OUR GATHERING" TO ESCORT US BACK TO HEAVEN.  NO WORD ABOUT ALL OF US RETURNING TO HEAVEN AT ALL.   NO MENTION OF GOING BACK FOR  A WEDDING.  What is said is they are coming back. 

(NOW OF COURSE YOU COULD BE ONE OF THOSE WHO LIKES TO "ADD" TO THE WORD OF GOD AND SAY THEY ARE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH,  TO BE TAKEN BACK TO HEAVEN,  TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH.   
Making the PRE TRIB RAPTURE scenario,  BUT IT IS ONLY WITH "ADDING" TO THE WORD IT WOULD BECOME POSSIBLE

As I said before  - and I am sticking to it: we don't form doctrine from isolated verses. We may form a theory from a verse, but then must check that theory with all the rest of Scripture. So are you going to form doctrine from 1 Thes. 4 ONLY? What about the rest of scripture?  It is "ADDING to the Word" when one understands that 1 Cor. 15 speaks of the same subject? You know it is not. 

Did you not notice in Rev. 19 that the marriage and supper in IN HEAVEN before Jesus descends? How does the Bride get to heaven? They are already there before Christ comes. This instantly rules out a posttrib rapture: the saints would miss the marriage and supper. Oh, this is no problem for posttribbers: they just move the marriage and supper to earth! 

What are we to do with John 14? Jesus went to build homes for us, but somehow never takes us to the homes he has prepared? I don't believe that. What we all want or SHOULD want, is the Author's intent: what was God thinking when He caused John to write this? John write, "where I am, there you man be also..."  Therefore, we must ask: "where 'am' Jesus" at this time? For those that really believe the written word, they know Jesus remains in heaven for the entire 70th week. Therefore, if we are where Jesus is or will be during that time, we must be in heaven with him. 

In other words, 1 Thes. 4 does not have to tell us where we go after we are caught up to Him in the clouds: OTHER scriptures provide that information.  

What is said is they are coming back.   What? No scripture? Not even a reference? WHERE? Please specify.

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WE HAVE TWO BODIES.  AN EARTHLY ONE AND A HEAVENLY ONE.  TO BE ABSENT FROM ONE MEANS YOU ARE IN THE OTHER.  FLESH AND BLOOD, THE TERRESTRIAL BODY, CAN'T GO TO PARADISE.  SO AS SOON AS THE FLESH BODY DIES, THE SPIRITUAL BODY GOES TO PARADISE.

Paul tells us we have an inward man and an outward man. Paul also tells us we will be changed: we will get a resurrection body. (1 Cor. 15)

I agree: Flesh and blood bodies cannot enter heaven. (I guess God made and exception for Enoch and Elijah - or gave them a temporary body of some kind.)

Question: is our spirit man inside a "body?" Or does our spirit man (or woman) HAVE a body? (I am guessing it does.) Upon death our spirit (with the soul ) just slips right out of the body, just as easy as slipping out of an overcoat.  I know of one man who died 4 times in a row, all within a hour or so. Three times He went down, until he saw fire, but God spoke and He came back to His body. He repented after three times down, got born again, and died again, but this time started up. This time he understood the words spoken: God told him his work on earth was not finished: he had to go back to his body.  I have heard him tell this story several times. He could see and he could think while out of his body. 

AS SOON AS THE FLESH BODY DIES, THE SPIRITUAL BODY GOES TO PARADISE.   If they are born again, I agree: the spirit and soul of the person leaves the body and goes to heaven. 

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

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1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
GODS ELECT.  THOSE WHO HAVE OVERCOME.  NOT TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST. THOSE WHO HAVE ENDURED TO THE END.  THOSE WHO WILL "BE CHANGED"  LIKE ENOCH and  ELIJAH, (POSSIBLY MOSES).   THOSE ON WHO THE SECOND DEATH HAS NOTHING.  THOSE WHO WILL REIGN WITH CHRIST FOR THE 1000 YEARS having been THROUGHLY PROVED/TESTED, gospel armor withstanding the fiery darts, AND READY TO BE PRIESTS OF GOD.   THE ONE AND ONLY TIME A "GROUP" IS "CAUGHT UP" is at the very very  very end of this age. 

Now we have a problem. You have MIXED church age with 70th week. Is that the intent of scripture? It is not. Sorry. If you wish to stay behind and "endure to the end" I suspect God will allow it. But HIS will is that the Bride leave before wrath comes.  Why would anyone wish to set their OWN appointment with His wrath?  The truth is, God's wrath comes at the 6th seal with the start of the DAY of His wrath. Then the 70th week begins with the 7th seal. the church will be caught up BEFORE wrath so BEFORE the 6th seal start of the DAy of His wrath. 

Without a doubt, you are imagining that the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. If so, you are mistaken. Paul's rapture will gather from the EARTH, around this planet. The gathering of the elect gathers from heaven.  Paul's rapture comes just before wrath, but the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is after wrath.  

Did you not notice in 1 thes. that Paul mentions the Day of the Lord just three verses after his classic rapture verse (4:17)? Why would Paul write of the Day of the Lord, in his rapture passage? One reason: because Paul places the Day of the Lord and the rapture as back tp back events that cannot be separated: the rapture will be the trigger for the DAY - and the DAY starts at the 6th seal - before any of the 70th week.

Therefore, you are mistaken.  And you will miss the marriage and supper. 

[The Light]

2 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Did you not notice in 1 thes. that Paul mentions the Day of the Lord just three verses after his classic rapture verse (4:17)? Why would Paul write of the Day of the Lord, in his rapture passage? One reason: because Paul places the Day of the Lord and the rapture as back tp back events that cannot be separated: the rapture will be the trigger for the DAY - and the DAY starts at the 6th seal - before any of the 70th week.

Therefore, you are mistaken.  And you will miss the marriage and supper. 

The 1st 6 seals are the 70th week, the time of Jacobs trouble. The 70th week is OVER at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins, time, times and half a time.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

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So will all be JOINED UP  FOR THE LORDS DAY, HERE ON EARTH.  WHERE GOD WILL BE DWELLING WITH US.  WHERE JUDGEMENT WILL TAKE PLACE.  the lake of fire, the wedding. new Jerusalem.... 

So you are willing to IGNORE some scripture, and CHANGE other scripture - to fit a theory? Wouldn't it be wiser to form your theory from the scripture AS WRITTEN? 

When does the "Day of the Lord" (or as you put it the Lord's day) start? Why don't we just believe John?

Rev. 6:¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

WHEN? It is at the 6th seal. For perspective, the seals are sealing a book. IF and WHEN God gets this book opened He can kick Satan off his earthly throne.  (Note carefully the "book" is written "within.")  However, the book CANNOT be opened to reveal the trumpets until ALL SEVEN seals are opened first. So John's chronology is to get the seals open, then the book open, then the trumpet judgments (first half of the week) and then the bowls of wrath (last half of the week) poured out when Satan's wrath it at its peak. 

So the 6th seal and the start of the Day of the Lord or the Day of His wrath starts BEFORE THE WEEK starts.  This is scripture. 

Yes, of course the Day of the Lord begins on earth, but WHEN the 6th seal is opened in heaven.  The first "salvo" of THE DAY will be the first trumpet judgment. 

the lake of fire, the wedding. new Jerusalem....   Can we just follow what is written instead of fables?

Rev. 19

⁶ And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. (A great multitude already in heaven)

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (The time for the marriage has come; right now, at the time of this verse - NOT later on earth.)

⁸ And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

⁹ And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. (the time for the supper shows us the ceremony is now finished.)

¹¹ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Finally, AFTER THE MARRIAGE AND SUPPER, Jesus is ready to descend to Armageddon. 

This is scripture UN-twisted and just as written. This should be just as easy to believe as John 3:16. John wrote both of these passages.

 

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

JUST IN CASE GOD HAS A JOB FOR ME TO DO.  I AM MORE THAN WILLING "TO BE GIVEN UP TO DEATH".  (BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT HONOR IS FOR THOSE OF A WAY BETTER "REPRESENTATION" OF A CHRISTIAN THAN I).  SO I KEEP TRYING TO BE MORE HOLY EVERYDAY IN THE HOPES OF BEING ONE WHO WILL STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END.  TEST ME/PROVE ME/ BEHEAD ME.  FOR GOD???  ABSOLUTELY, WHENEVER, WHEREEVER.  GO THROUGH SOME ROUGH TIMES TO STAND UP FOR THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS??  The Creator of me.  The One who loves me.   NO PROBLEM.  OVERCOMING WITH THE POWER given THROUGH THE NAME OF THE LORD, SERIOUSLY, NO PROBLEM.  AND  THERE ARE MORE LIKE ME.  PUT ME IN THE GAME COACH, I AM READY TO PLAY.  I AM SUITED UP.  I GOT THE RULES DOWN.  I KNOW YOU WILL NEVER LEAVE ME NOR FORSAKE ME.  I HAVE FAITH AND BELIEVE IT ALL YOUR PROMISES AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE REWARDS THAT SHALL COME AFTER. 

Sorry to blow this theory out of the water  - so to speak - but there will be only one rule for believers during the 70th week:

They will be overcome. Plain and simple and scripture. 

God's will is believers we wise enough to take His escape plan given in Luke 21!

³⁶ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

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1Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

1Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
And I know that the day of the Lord will not come as a thief in the night for me! 
But look at what is WRITTEN. 
WE KNOW THE SEASON - WE WILL BE HERE. 
WE KNOW THE DAY OF THE LORD THAT COMES AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT COMES TO "THEM" AS SUCH. , NOT TO US  -  WRITTEN AS IF WE WILL BE HERE

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
For when "THEY" shall say, then "THEY" shall not escape.  THEY will be saying "peace and safety"?  Doesn't sound like some crazy beheading maniac is running around killing everyone, at least not physically.  Spiritually?  Lots of dead.  And those who are spiritually dead when the True Christ returns, they will remain spiritually dead until Satan is loosed once again.  WHY?  Because they will have to be proved/tested, just like us of this fig tree generation.  And do you see what is written?  DESTRUCTION COMES UPON THEM.  NOT US.  Do you have faith in God?  Do you believe that there were 3 put in a fiery furnace and that not a hair on there head was touched.  Didn't even smell of smoke,  did they? 

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
AND WHY DOES THAT DAY NOT COME AS A THIEF TO "US"?  Because we are not in darkness.  We are of the Light.  Our lamps are not only lit, we have plenty of "OIL" so that they will stay lit.  We will  have NO NEED to go to buy and sell in the darkness/tribulation.  We are not foolish.  Gods Word has made us wise.    We have put on the gospel armor and IT is what  allows us to STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END.   

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
IN THE NIGHT.  IN THE NIGHT.  

What does Paul say here: first, it is a COMING of the Lord - a coming FOR His saints. 

He tells us that the Day of the Lord (in a rapture passage) comes as a thief in the night. Why is this? It is a coming: and JESUS comes as a thief in the night: 

Here is what Paul says my summary:

FIRST:  SUDDENLY, at a time when people are saying "peace and safety" - a day just like today - Jesus will descend to the air...
The dead in Christ will suddenly FLY UP out of their graves...and God instantly pulling those bodies together from dust will create a great earthquake - Paul's "sudden destruction."

Now Paul gives us a paradigm: bringing two groups of people up to show us two different outcomes:

2nd: one instant later, just as those alive in Christ begin to feel the earth shake, they are caught up into the air to join the first wave. But AT THE SAME TIME those left behind are caught in this sudden destruction earthquake. 

Paul informs us that this sudden destruction is the start of WRATH.  God is not going to set any appointments for us with His wrath. 
Paul also informs us that the start of wrath is also the Day of the Lord (just the start of the Day: it is an extended period of time.)

So Paul ends up telling us WHEN: His gathering will come just before wrath. 

WE WILL BE HERE.   Yes, of course we will be here - that is UNTIL we are caught up. Many people wonder WHEN. Paul tells us: a moment before WRATH and "sudden destruction." WE get caught up ("salvation") and get to live together with Him - but THEY get wrath. 

Paul has place the rapture and the Day of the Lord as back to back events that cannot be separated: the rapture will trigger the DAY. And WHEN does "the DAY start? John tells us: the 6th seal.