How many resurrections are there?

[Sister]

 Isaiah 64:4   For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
 

[Sister]

Sorry Dennis

I am on a roll.

This is for anyone who doubts what will happen during the thousand year reign;

Isaiah 60:1   Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

  Isaiah 60:2   For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

  Isaiah 60:3   And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

  Isaiah 60:4   Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

  Isaiah 60:5   Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

  Isaiah 60:6   The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

  Isaiah 60:7   All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

  Isaiah 60:8   Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

  Isaiah 60:9   Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

  Isaiah 60:10   And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

  Isaiah 60:11   Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

  Isaiah 60:12   For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

  Isaiah 60:13   The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

  Isaiah 60:14   The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

  Isaiah 60:15   Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

  Isaiah 60:16   Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

  Isaiah 60:17   For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

  Isaiah 60:18   Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

  Isaiah 60:19   The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

  Isaiah 60:20   Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

  Isaiah 60:21   Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

  Isaiah 60:22   A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

[Sister]

 

 

Isaiah 65:18   But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isaiah 65:19   And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Isaiah 65:20   There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:21   And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

Isaiah 65:22   They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Isaiah 65:23   They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Isaiah 65:24   And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

Isaiah 65:25   The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Sister

[Sister]

17 hours ago, TMarcum said:

Answer #1

The kingdom of Jesus was not a warring kingdom. It was a kingdom of peace and love. He taught the disciples to love their enemies. Not a nation of war and blood.

The next 2 verses clearly explain this prophecy. The period is not at the end of time. This was a prophecy concerning the coming of Jesus almost 2000 years ago. This is regarding Jesus bringing the teachings of the New Grace Covenant to the apostles. His gospel was one of peace, not of the sword. You can see this was the message of Jesus all through out the gospels. He said if any man smite you, turn ye the other cheek. He said to forgive a man 70 times 7, and not just 7 times 7.  This was the gospel and the followers of Christ lived by this rule. They never picked up swords, nor fought with the Romans. They gave their lives to the Romans for Christ sake.

 

 

Matthew 7:7   Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

[TMarcum]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

Matthew 7:7   Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Amen!

[TMarcum]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

 

 

Isaiah 65:18   But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isaiah 65:19   And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Isaiah 65:20   There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:21   And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

Isaiah 65:22   They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Isaiah 65:23   They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Isaiah 65:24   And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

Isaiah 65:25   The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 65 is not pertaining to 1000 year MK period. This is prophecy related to the gentile race being brought into the fold of God.

The term wolf and lamb feeding together is reference to the clean and unclean. The reference goes forward to the vision that Peter saw on the housetop praying and saw a vision of a sheet being let down, knit at all 4 corners with all manner of 4 footed beasts and unclean animals. The Lord said slay and eat. Peter said no, nothing unclean will enter my mouth. The Lord told Peter to call nothing that I have cleaned common or unclean.

All of chapter of Isaiah 65 is reference to the gentiles, in a time when Babylon were wasting the children of Israel, and putting them into great distress in captivity. Letting them know, one day they will not be a threat and will be at peace together in worship of the Lord in spirit and in truth.

[TMarcum]

4 hours ago, Sister said:

Dennis1209

Amen!

And the saints of that 1st resurrection will be ruling with him.  If it all ends at the Coming, then who are they going to reign over if everyone else is dead?

It's because there will be remnants of the Jews and Gentiles after the Coming;

I love this chapter;

Zechariah 14:1   Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2   For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 Zechariah 14:3   Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
 

 Zechariah 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

  Zechariah 14:5   And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

  Zechariah 14:6   And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

  Zechariah 14:7   But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

  Zechariah 14:8   And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

  Zechariah 14:9   And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

  Zechariah 14:10   All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

  Zechariah 14:11   And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

  Zechariah 14:12   And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

  Zechariah 14:13   And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

  Zechariah 14:14   And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

  Zechariah 14:15   And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

Zechariah 14:16   And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

  Zechariah 14:17   And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

  Zechariah 14:18   And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

  Zechariah 14:19   This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

  Zechariah 14:20   In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

  Zechariah 14:21   Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

Zech 14:1-7 is prophecy regarding the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty, which was as the result of the pouring out of the 7th vial (Rev 16:14). You can read details of the day that the Lord stood on the Mt. of Olives in (Rev 19). This is not pertaining to the 1000 year MK period.

Zech 14:8-21 is prophecy pertaining to the Coming of Jesus into the world being born of Mary. The living waters that go out of Jerusalem; half toward the former sea and half toward the hinder sea is prophecy to redeeming blood of Jesus, of those that lived were before him and the ones that should live after his resurrection. Jesus offered the same living waters to Nicodemus and the Woman at the well.

Edited June 2, 2020 by TMarcum

[TMarcum]

8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, TMarcum.

To my statement,

you said,

Truthfully, I don't think a simple thing like "2,000 years" instead of "1,000 years" is going to reveal "the very day that Jesus will return for the 2nd coming." This is a weak answer at best!

When I said,

you said,

You're not reading 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 correctly, either. The Messiah is reigning from the resurrection of those who belong to Him at His Coming to the time of the End when He has put all His enemies under His feet. Again, death is the LAST enemy that He defeats, not the first! THEN, comes the End, and Yeshua` turns the Worldwide Kingdom over to His Father.

To my statement,

you said, 

Nope. There will be no "pause" of 1,000 years in the battle because that battle will be FINISHED at the beginning of the 1,000 years! The SECOND battle will occur at the END of the 1,000 years! Don't think that haSatan, the Beast, and the False Prophet all must have their demise at the same time. God was DONE with the Beast and the False Prophet at the end of the first battle, the Battle of Har-Megiddown, but God has ONE LAST PURPOSE for haSatan - to deceive people into one final rebellion. Thus, his demise comes a thousand years LATER than that of the other two.

Furthermore, there you go again! The battle will NOT be "1 day!" That's naive! Since when does a battle that kills so many people that "the blood will flow to the horses' bridles for the space of 1600 furlongs" take place in a SINGLE DAY?! EVERY physical accomplishment TAKES TIME TO ACCOMPLISH!!! God Himself created the laws of physics and statics and dynamics and fluid dynamics; He will TAKE HIS TIME to accomplish what must be done!

To my statement,

you said,

Nonsense. There's no "recap" or John would more clearly state that fact! When one just reads it at face value, one sees that the dragon is to be punished for his part in the battle, as well! It's simply that his punishment is to be chained in the abyss while the Messiah reigns for a thousand years. THEN, at the END of the 1,000 years, he will be released to do his one last deed! SEVEN TIMES the "thousand years" are mentioned in Rev. 20:1-7! It's not a retelling of history; it is a FUTURE imprisonment! HaSatan is ANYTHING BUT "chained in the abyss" right now! And, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If Yeshua` the Messiah is reigning right now, then He is the WEAKEST KING THERE HAS EVER BEEN! But, He's NOT reigning right now, and He won't be until He has returned.

To my statement,

you said,

Precisely my point! The whole world couldn't be gathered in that short of a time! Therefore, the scenario you paint is not tenable!

To my statement,

you said,

Again, this is NONSENSE! "Fire raining down" does NOT equal "consumed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord!" You're attempting to STRETCH the truth in a vain attempt to FORCE a round peg into the square hole! It's comparing apples to oranges.

To my statement,

you said,

I don't have to "turn the statement 'then comes the end when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God' into a resurrection"; it already IS a Resurrection! The whole of 1 Corinthians 15 is about Resurrection!!

To my statement,

you said,

There's no such thing as a "spiritual resurrection," taking place for Christians or anyone else!

To my statement,

you said,

Are you sure that you are "amil"; that is, "amillennial?" "Amillennialism" is defined as "a belief that there is NO ("A") millennium." I think you must mean "postmillennialism." THEY were the ones who traditionally believed that the Second Coming comes AFTER ("POST") the "millennium."

Anyway, you're not right in your history. "Chiliasm" (the old name for "premillennialism") has been around a LOT longer than "amillennialism." Darby was all about "pretribulational rapturism," which is a BRANCH of premillennialism. It was a tenet of the ancient Messianic Jews as well as the original Baptists to believe in chiliasm. The Messianic Jews, the first Jewish communities that held to Yeshua`s First Coming as the Jewish Messiah they were expecting, adhered to the prophecies that stated that the Messiah would become the great King, descendant of David the King, to rule and reign over the children of Israel in the Last Times.

Postmillennialism practically died out when Israel became a nation again on May 14, 1948, fulfilling the prophecy!

Isaiah 66:5-10 (KJV)

5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; "Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, 'Let the LORD be glorified': but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed."

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies. 

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9 "Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth?" saith the LORD: "shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb?" saith thy God.

10 Rejoice ye wit Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

 

No, I am Amillennialism, but I use the term "a thousand years" as written in the text to discuss the events in Revelation 20.

There is no 1000 year period after the 2nd coming of Christ. The term "a thousand years" is a term, which is figurative language pertaining to the span of time ranging from the resurrection of Christ from the tomb until the time Satan is loose from the pit. You miss interpret Rev 20:1-6, since this is only belief you know.

The whole bible supports this, and gives no reverences to a period after the 2nd coming of Christ.

Edited June 2, 2020 by TMarcum

[luigi]

25 minutes ago, TMarcum said:

Zech 14:1-7 is prophecy regarding the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty, which was as the result of the pouring out of the 7th vial (Rev 16:14). You can read details of the day that the Lord stood on the Mt. of Olives in (Rev 19). This is not pertaining to the 1000 year MK period.

 

I agree that much of Zechariah 14 is prophesy regarding the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty, which correlates with the events in Revelation 16:14. However, as the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty is Armageddon in Revelation 16:15; I then do not see how you cannot see the time frame after Armageddon not representing the millennium reign.

[Retrobyter]

7 minutes ago, TMarcum said:

Zech 14:1-7 is prophecy regarding the battle of the great day of the Lord Almighty, which was as the result of the pouring out of the 7th vial (Rev 16:14). You can read details of the day that the Lord stood on the Mt. of Olives in (Rev 19). This is not pertaining to the 1000 year MK period.

Zech 14:8-21 is prophecy pertaining to the Coming of Jesus into the world being born of Mary. The living waters that go out of Jerusalem; half toward the former sea and half toward the hinder sea is prophecy to redeeming blood of Jesus, of those that lived were before him and the ones that should live after his resurrection. Jesus offered the same living waters to Nicodemus and the Woman at the well.

Shalom, TMarcum.

No! You must spin a LOT of prophecy to deny the 1,000 years of Yeshua`s reign! Quit resorting to allegorical thinking. It'll bite you every time! If you have to say, "This means that," you're on the WRONG TRACK!

The correct way to interpret Scripture is to use the grammatical, historical method of interpretation. It's not precisely a "literal method," as some claim, but it does interpret the Scriptures most often literally. If the Scriptures are talking about history, past or FUTURE, accept these Scriptures as accurate about that history! And, get back to the grammar of the Scriptures! I'm talking about learning the GRAMMAR of Hebrew and Greek, not just the vocabulary! If you don't know it, use something like BibleHub.com! It will give you much of the grammar, even if you don't understand it!

You can't whitewash the prophecies of the TANAKH (the Jewish Scriptures, the OT) and say that they somehow apply rather to the Church and Christianity! God is working THROUGH the Christians today to restore His nation Israel! We are to be the MEANS for them to return to YHWH! That's what Romans 9-11 is all about!

Romans 11:11-32 (KJV)

11 I say then, Have they (the children of Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (RESURRECTION!) 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou (Gentile), being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then,

"The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in."

20 Well (Okay); because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"

27 "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' (the patriarchs') sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance! (God does not renege on His gifts and calling!) 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God is NOT going to change His mind about having His Messiah reign over Israel and Jerusalem!

He is NOT going to undo His prophecy and re-write it for Gentile Christians!

We are NOT currently in the reign of Christ (the Greek word for Messiah)! We are looking for the Messiah's Return because it is THEN that He will begin His reign (Luke 19; Matthew 25), and He will reign from His ancestor David's throne IN ISRAEL! IN JERUSALEM!

LISTEN AGAIN TO GABRIEL'S WORDS!

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

 30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob FOR EVER; and of his kingdom THERE SHALL BE NO END."

It's not just a "literal 1,000-year reign"; it shall be a literal ETERNAL reign! Not in "Heaven," as FAR TOO MANY "Christians" believe, but it will be a PHYSICAL, LITERAL, EARTHLY, SOLID, CONCRETE REIGN RIGHT HERE on this planet after it has been "renovated!" But, it STARTS while haSatan is imprisoned in the bottomless (unsounded) pit for that first 1,000 years that are STILL TO COME!