Our Fallen Nature

[leah777]

On 6/14/2020 at 1:42 AM, R. Hartono said:

Regular fasting is a must.

 Otherwise people fall easily into sins of flesh.

 

 

Fasting doesn't prevent sin. It can make us focus even more on our bodies. Fasting on it's own does nothing spiritually.

Prayer is the key. Dedicated times of prayer with fasting is good.

What country are you in?

[R. Hartono]

3 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Fasting doesn't prevent sin. It can make us focus even more on our bodies. Fasting on it's own does nothing spiritually.

Prayer is the key. Dedicated times of prayer with fasting is good.

What country are you in?

You know Jakarta city ?

Daniel pray n fasted.

God also commanded the Hebrew to fast.

Why did Jesus fast for 40 days Leah ?

 

[Coliseum]

37 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Fasting doesn't prevent sin. It can make us focus even more on our bodies. Fasting on it's own does nothing spiritually.

Prayer is the key. Dedicated times of prayer with fasting is good.

What country are you in?

Romans 14:17-18
17  For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
18  because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

Kind of amazing when we consider that Moses, who gave the Law to the Jews---Elijah, the greatest Prophet---and Christ, who gave the whole New Testament---fasted each for 40 days and 40 nights. Why? So that they were in communion with God---focusing not on what was earthly, but what was heavenly.

[leah777]

9 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

You know Jakarta city ?

Daniel pray n fasted.

God also commanded the Hebrew to fast.

Why did Jesus fast for 40 days Leah ?

 

Fasting on it's own, just fasting for no spiritual reason ,does nothing Godly.

People go on fasts everywhere, not for godly reason. 

Jesus fasted for Godly reasons. So did Daniel. 

I said this in my previous post. Read again.

I mention fasting AND prayer as good.

[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, leah777 said:

Fasting on it's own, just fasting for no spiritual reason ,does nothing Godly.

People go on fasts everywhere, not for godly reason. 

Jesus fasted for Godly reasons. So did Daniel. 

I said this in my previous post. Read again.

I mention fasting AND prayer as good.

People who dont fast regularly will fall.

[leah777]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

People who dont fast regularly will fall.

What do you mean by fall, fall from what? I hope you are not suggesting people who have medical requirements against fasting are bad.

[Refresher]

On 6/12/2020 at 9:45 PM, Who me said:

On 6/11/2020 at 6:00 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

Do not feed the flesh

Explain please, am I to starve to death or do you have something else in mind.

Do not feed the flesh it means walk in the Spirit daily.

Galatians 5:16-26 New King James Version (NKJV)

Walking in the Spirit

¹⁶ I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

¹⁹ Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: ^[a]adultery, ^[b]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, ²⁰ idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, ²¹ envy, ^[c]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ^23 [d]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. ²⁴ And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

[Refresher]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

People who dont fast regularly will fall.

Hello Brother Hartono,

For me I did fasting only as lead by the Holy Spirit. And I am not agree that >>People who dont fast regularly will fall.

Rather, I believe what the Lord says in Galatians 5:16-26 "Walking in the Spirit"

¹⁶ I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

¹⁹ Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: ^[a]adultery, ^[b]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, ²⁰ idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, ²¹ envy, ^[c]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ^23 [d]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. ²⁴ And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

[Eddy Crocker]

23 hours ago, Coliseum said:

Romans 14:17-18
17  For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
18  because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

Kind of amazing when we consider that Moses, who gave the Law to the Jews---Elijah, the greatest Prophet---and Christ, who gave the whole New Testament---fasted each for 40 days and 40 nights. Why? So that they were in communion with God---focusing not on what was earthly, but what was heavenly.

Fasting can be important. I have fasted many times. I went 27 days one time. Fasting makes you forget about the body to be more tuned into the spirit and more sensitive to it. It’s about denying the senses which spring forth from the Adamic nature which I would call the mark of the beast or Anti Christ spirit. We all have this death decree on our physical bodies.

We are a house divided until the Holy Spirit is fully immersed within us as that place that he prepared for us as those mansions in the father. Fasting is more than an act. It is a fact in those who live in this death upon Gods altar as our reasonable service unto him. 

Romans 12:1-2

 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

² And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2 Corinthians 4:10,

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

The act of fasting can bring us into the fasted life instead of just the act. I rather live in the Facts than just the Acts. Fasting helped me out by bringing me into the life lived. Now because of this denial of the flesh and my senses been given up to the cross, now my senses can be trusted because they passed through death and have been brought to life by my senses being governed by the Holy Spirit.
This is the true renewing of the mind that I have went thru to be able now to trust my senses. My senses no longer wants anything to do with my flesh but now my senses are governed by the Spirit to do and be the will of God manifested on earth as it already is in heaven.

This is the true raptured state to be not under the control of our flesh anymore but guided by the Holy Spirit out of those heavenly places we live in as a state that people have no clue to be able to live in that here and now in the realm of time.

I know from experience. This is not something I think but this is who I am. This is how I know. Until you have the experience your interpretations of the rapture will be in the future instead of now in the present. 

[Who me]

21 hours ago, Refresher said:

not feed the flesh it means walk in the Spirit daily

 

And again we are back to not eating.

 

What is it about these ' spiritual ' people with not eating?

Jesus was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard because he ate and drank with, oh the horror, with sinners!

 

Ok spell it out in simple English just what do you mean by walking spiritually?

Some sort of out of body experience or what!