WilliamL Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now you know the [thing] restraining [lit., holding down/fast; the Greek is neuter: ‛that which restrains/holds down’], that he [the Son of Perdition] may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, only the one now restraining/holding down [the Greek here is masculine: ‛he who restrains/holds fast’] [will do so] until he is come out of the midst. Matthew Henry (d. 1714): “This is supposed to be the power of the Roman empire, which the apostle did not think fit to mention more plainly at that time...” [The New Testament writers never openly spoke ill about the Roman authorities. If, as some claim, Paul here meant the Holy Spirit, then there would have been no reason at all for him to speak about it so obscurely.] A. R. Fausser (1871): “...the power that has restrained the man of sin from his full and final development, is the moral and conservative influence of political states [OLSHAUSEN]: the fabric of human polity as a coercive power; as "he who now letteth" refers to those who rule that polity by which the great upbursting of godlessness is kept down [ALFORD]. The "what withholdeth" refers to the general hindrance; "he who now letteth," to the person in whom that hindrance is summed up. Romanism [papal Catholicism], as a forerunner of Antichrist, was thus kept in check by the Roman emperor (the then representative of the coercive power) until Constantine, having removed the seat of empire to Constantinople, the Roman bishop by degrees first raised himself to precedency, then to primacy, and then to sole empire above the secular power.” Can there be any doubt that the spirit of lawlessness is now diligently working to destroy Americaʼs restraining (but waning) power against lawlessness; that is, that this spirit is subverting the governmentʼs ability to hold fast to the order of U.S. law and world law? And that the current “he who restrains/holds fast” is the President of the United States, Donald Trump? (However incompetent to the task he may be.) And that the Son of Perdition is waiting in the wings, preparing to step onto the stage as a deliverer during the coming time of economic and political chaos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldBruno Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 452 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2020 The Holy Spirit is the Restrainer of evil and of course the Church/all Christians filled by the HOLY SPIRIT work to restrain evil. When the church is taken out of the way - raptured, then all Hell breaks loose. Man does what comes natural to him, sin without restraint. Buttons pushed, hearts cold, hatred and selfishness to its fullness. Nothing good is left to resort to and thus man wars against his own family and in the end wars against God - pure insanity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2020 Why are you focusing a world wide issue to just the US? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said: The Holy Spirit is the Restrainer of evil and of course the Church/all Christians filled by the HOLY SPIRIT work to restrain evil. When the church is taken out of the way - raptured, then all Hell breaks loose. If the Holy Spirit was what Paul was alluding to, then why would he have not just said so?? Would have been no reason to be all elliptical about it. Sorry, this argument does not hold up. It is a clear case of eisegesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, OneLight said: Why are you focusing a world wide issue to just the US? Because the U.S. is the preeminent world power that has been keeping the wolves from the door. If U.S. power is removed from the world scene, then all hell will break loose, as RB puts it. The UN is dominated by dictatorial nations, which have no love for the rule of law other than that of their own greed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, WilliamL said: Because the U.S. is the preeminent world power that has been keeping the wolves from the door. If U.S. power is removed from the world scene, then all hell will break loose, as RB puts it. The UN is dominated by dictatorial nations, which have no love for the rule of law other than that of their own greed. Ephesians 6 tells us "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." You will not find anyone in the world who is capable to restraining the evilness of the AC. I believe that is the duty of His Holy Spirit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, WilliamL said: And that the Son of Perdition is waiting in the wings, preparing to step onto the stage as a deliverer during the coming time of economic and political chaos? what entity mentioned in Revelation is this Son of Perdition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, OneLight said: Ephesians 6 tells us "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." You will not find anyone in the world who is capable to restraining the evilness of the AC. I believe that is the duty of His Holy Spirit. I ask you the same question: if Paul meant the Holy Spirit, why did he not just say so? Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. ... 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. This is speaking of the civil authorities' appointment by God to restrain evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,119 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, other one said: what entity mentioned in Revelation is this Son of Perdition? He ain't in there by title, but is probably included in the first seal, since he comes before the rapture, and is destroyed upon Christ's appearance. 2 thes. 2:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2020 Our world is corrupt. There will be judgment and the wrath of God will deal with this sinful world. In God's timeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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