do you believe the allegations in Ronan Farrow's book against Matt Lauer?

[Equippers]

in Ronan book, the woman claimed Matt Lauer "raped" her

yet in the article from 2017 https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/matt-lauer-fired-by-nbc-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

the statement released by NBC stated “Dear colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” 

to me, "inappropriate sexual behaviors" and "rape" are two different things

yet no recent reports in the liberal medias seem to include this inconsistency

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Equippers

[ReneeIW]

1 hour ago, Equippers said:

in Ronan book, the woman claimed Matt Lauer "raped" her

yet in the article from 2017 https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/matt-lauer-fired-by-nbc-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

the statement released by NBC stated “Dear colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” 

to me, "inappropriate sexual behaviors" and "rape" are two different things

yet no recent reports in the liberal medias seem to include this inconsistency

 

That’s the statement they have to put out for legal reasons. Only the victim, police and prosecutor can allege rape.

Anyway, yes I believe it and I believe he’s probably done worse but managed to keep people quiet in the past.

[Equippers]

24 minutes ago, ReneeIW said:

That’s the statement they have to put out for legal reasons. Only the victim, police and prosecutor can allege rape.

Anyway, yes I believe it and I believe he’s probably done worse but managed to keep people quiet in the past.

what evidences are there to back up her statement?

i think it might be possible that Matt may have sexually harassed some of the women, but rape?

i doubt it

again, in the age of metoo, women can basically make any kind of allegations without evidences and it would be believed.

if she was raped, she would have gone to the police a long long time again.

[furrychristian]

Not everyone who is raped goes to the police. The reasons for this are well documented, you can easily Google it.

As for situations with allegations, I take a strictly neutral stance unless I'm involved in some way. Any outside meddling one way or the other, I feel, does more harm than good. If on the other hand I was friends with the victim, I would support her as best I could.

[Neighbor]

12 minutes ago, Equippers said:

if she was raped, she would have gone to the police a long long time again.

Evidently most all women do not report a rape of them. According to however such stuff is calculated less than 25% of women report a rape of them.

As to a particular case I have no personal interest. The idea of using a rape charge as a political weapon is most repugnant to me. To me it makes it harder for a woman to go ahead and try to report a crime against her when  some may make an accusation falsely. That to me is a most serious offense; and not against just men but especially  against women as it harms women that do have a serious offense to report. Crimes against women are especially heinous in my mind for God has made them to be cherished by men.

[ReneeIW]

2 hours ago, Equippers said:

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by ReneeIW
Changed mind

[Equippers]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Evidently most all women do not report a rape of them. According to however such stuff is calculated less than 25% of women report a rape of them.

As to a particular case I have no personal interest. The idea of using a rape charge as a political weapon is most repugnant to me. To me it makes it harder for a woman to go ahead and try to report a crime against her when  some may make an accusation falsely. That to me is a most serious offense; and not against just men but especially  against women as it harms women that do have a serious offense to report. Crimes against women are especially heinous in my mind for God has made them to be cherished by men.

are you familiar with the case with Canadian writer Steven Galloway?

one of his former student made a allegation against him, her words was taken at face value by many of his colleagues, he lost his job, reputation ruined and attempted suicide at least once

after an independent investigation, the woman was found lying. Not only that, it was not the first time that made this kind of allegation. The first time she did it, without evidence, a man lost a job opportunity.

https://quillette.com/2018/06/21/a-literary-inquisition-how-novelist-steven-galloway-was-smeared-as-a-rapist-even-as-the-case-against-him-collapsed/

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/steven-galloway-in-his-own-words-exclusive

the point is the metoo movement tries to get people to ignore a fundamental legal principle of a person is innocent until proven guilty. they are also trying to get rid of due process as well

this whole idea of take a woman's allegation at their words is repugnant to me. 

yes, any woman who comes forward with an allegation need to be heard, and taken seriously. 

but it also need to be investigated thoroughly, and an allegation need to be treated as an allegation until it is proven by evidence and due process.

any attempt to bypass those is disgusting.

 

 

[Neighbor]

Criminal law  issues and civil law suits tend to work themselves out without my forming any opinion based upon dribbles of information about them  or even from the books written by someone for their personal profit. When one mixes politics and the hatred of left to right and right to left in political circles it just gets poisonous to all.

Not my bag I guess. Why I hardly watch news, almost never read topical tripe printed as expose books nowadays. Guess I shouldn't even glance at threads of those that do enjoy speculations of such things. As for me I will enjoy finding encouragement elsewhere in daily life.

For the most part  I have moved to a mountain where there are few to speculate about even fewer people's  merit or lack of it. Can hardly wait to complete my city chores and get back to the high cooler country where  the few people there mostly talk of our mutual Lord's blessings upon each of our lives.

[Jayne]

6 hours ago, Equippers said:

in Ronan book, the woman claimed Matt Lauer "raped" her

yet in the article from 2017 https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/matt-lauer-fired-by-nbc-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

the statement released by NBC stated “Dear colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” 

to me, "inappropriate sexual behaviors" and "rape" are two different things

yet no recent reports in the liberal medias seem to include this inconsistency

 

There is no inconsistency.  NBC made this announcement of his firing in 2017.  Allegations at that time had been made of him pinching women on the behind - Katie Couric came out and said he did that to her and it always made her uncomfortable.  And there were allegations of him exposing himself at work and propositioning women and being verbally inappropriate.  He gave one woman a present of a sex toy with a very nasty note attached.  He made jokes with the men and other women in the office of calling out a name and saying if he would rather "have sex", kill, or marry them.

Matt Lauer is and was a very sexually inappropriate man and very sinful and gross.  And why did he have a button on this desk that would lock his door without him having to get up?  Katie Couric said no one else had that in their offices.

NBC had to make that as "palatable" as possible to keep their fan base.  They had talked to Ronan, but those details were not released publicly.

NBC would NEVER use the word rape.  It would kill their show.  

The rape accusation was not made public until the book came out in 2019.

Now, they have to deal with that.

Why don't women go to the police?  Because of an intense SHAME.  A fear they won't be believed.  A fear they will be blamed.  A feeling they they somehow "caused this".  A fear of victim-blaming by the public.  For example, at those Olympics that they were covering, she went willingly to his room and willingly had several drinks with him.  In the eyes of much of the public - she got what she deserved and "asked" for it.

Where is the evidence of a rape?  Five years after the fact, there is none available.  Her description of what happened is frightening and not easy to read.  I won't give the gory details.  They only evidence that there might be was if she went to the doctor and he had evidence of the damage she described.

The onus is always on the victim.  You make a charge - you have to provide the proof.  At this time, I don't think she will be able to.  It's been too long.

It's VERY plausible to me, however, in America - the courts decide that.

If he is guilty - he should go to jail for a long time.

If she is lying - she should be punished.

Rape is not about sex.  It's about power and control and manipulation and making people your puppet.

We can only wait for any evidential truths to come out.  Until then - people will take sides and speculate.  And that truly serves no purpose.

 

[TheBlade]

Why would one read it? No life in it