A of D, I might have cracked part of the mystery

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, Uriah said:

I certainly understand your point. Both technology and spiritual powers can be seen in scripture regarding that time. Spiritually powered deception/delusion is evident now and increasing.

As for the technological part of it, I see two things that are pertinent. People will worship the image of the beast- perhaps seen in a vision of having to place their chip bearing forehead before an image on a screen to make a purchase. While the abomination of desolation seems to me to be something that will indeed be placed in Jerusalem. You likely saw the artwork I posted a few times. My personal belief is the AoD being an image of the man of sin depicted as being in the Holy place. Placed on the temple mount most likely.

Yes. The A of D will be something profane and vulgar; at least in regard to those who hold a stone temple in esteem. I do not. When the last Temple comes it's just a transition device from ostensibly honoring the Most High God to the elevation of a false god who gets every one to bow to him. The last Temple has no meaning aside from that. 

I looked into the tech side of the mark of the beast and this is what I came up with:

Assuming all 7.62 billion people get the mark and it's a chip that's implanted by some authority it will take 240 years to implant every person if one person is implanted every second 24/7/365. So that doesn't work. It's a bit over the top but it does illustrate the problem.

So let's say we have a week to get it done as you can't buy or sell without the chip; that means no water and most people would be dead in a week sans water.

Every second 12,600 people would have to be implanted for the job to be done in a week. That works out to 45.3 million people an hour all around the world getting implanted 24/7 for a week. Mind boggling and impossible.

From what I see it only takes about a minute for the procedure. Imagine the size of the clinic, the staff, equipment and the stock of chips to see 60 people an hour all day long just for the implant procedure. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but how long would it take to ramp up to that kind of services of clients? Let's say the world is ready to implant all 7.62 billion people in a week. That's about a billion a day. There would be panic and riots. Look at Covid-19 and the panic buying. There was no pressure from an inability to buy. Imagine the chaos when people are told they can't pay rent or the mortgage or utilities, work or invest if they don't have the mark.  Panic, riots, death and complete chaos would ensue.

Not that chaos and death aren't part of the plan. No doubt they are. I think usurping the earth from our Father and subjugation of mankind is the plan. Isn't it always the same plan with this guy? 

Even if only half the population of earth survives to that point where would 3.8 billion chips come from? That alone is almost impossible inside a year even if 120 producers were making chips 24/7 at the rate of one per second. Maybe they are doing that. Maybe there are enough clinics and techs to implant 3.8 billion people in a week. It just doesn't seem feasible unless we had a decade, at least, after the world is compelled to get the mark.

What I think will happen is the mark will be applied to each person by that person. Remember the ISIS fighters? They were wearing either headbands or wrist bands with the ISIS symbol.

How about the Covid-19 scare? Masks. Each person got their own mask. Even that was a logistical nightmare for something as simple as a mask. Hence, people made their own. Ah...safe and secure from the deadly cold and flu all on your own. If all it takes to prove allegiance to the beast is to sport the symbol, that can be written on any piece of cloth and worn. Got a sharpie and an old bed sheet? Problem solved for a whole family in minutes. The whole world could wear the mark inside a day in this way; furthering the plan of usurping and subjugation.

Throwing it in God's face as it were. "Ha! I did it! I took the world from you. Who is God now?" Maybe. Just my thoughts.

Obviously it's all speculative, but it's not sans fact and logic either.

We have just been conditioned to apply a cloth symbol of trust in the authorities expertise concerning a global issue. So there's that.

 

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

We have just been conditioned to apply a cloth symbol of trust in the authorities expertise concerning a global issue. So there's that.

Very telling indeed, the level of compliance that people are willing to engage in at the behest of the high priests of medical witchcraft.  I'm still curious about their vaccine, how that will be rolled out to the 7.6 billion, and whether or not it will eventually provide a framework for the mark.  They're talking about several rounds of vaccination.

[Justin Adams]

30 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Very telling indeed, the level of compliance that people are willing to engage in at the behest of the high priests of medical witchcraft.  I'm still curious about their vaccine, how that will be rolled out to the 7.6 billion, and whether or not it will eventually provide a framework for the mark.  They're talking about several rounds of vaccination.

What is maybe happening is a softening approach. One of Hitler's sayings was, 'say it often enough and loud enough and you will be believed'. I am sure there are really people that really care, but how will one know them from the 'agenda' types.

We have all been so desensitised to anything anymore, that the truth 'pearl' is overshadowed. The language has been hijacked and the meanings of a lot of words distorted. But the barrage of the weight of words will have its effects since most people live and breath by 'the news' and the talking heads.

[Uriah]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. The A of D will be something profane and vulgar; at least in regard to those who hold a stone temple in esteem. I do not. When the last Temple comes it's just a transition device from ostensibly honoring the Most High God to the elevation of a false god who gets every one to bow to him. The last Temple has no meaning aside from that. 

I looked into the tech side of the mark of the beast and this is what I came up with:

Assuming all 7.62 billion people get the mark and it's a chip that's implanted by some authority it will take 240 years to implant every person if one person is implanted every second 24/7/365. So that doesn't work. It's a bit over the top but it does illustrate the problem.

So let's say we have a week to get it done as you can't buy or sell without the chip; that means no water and most people would be dead in a week sans water.

Every second 12,600 people would have to be implanted for the job to be done in a week. That works out to 45.3 million people an hour all around the world getting implanted 24/7 for a week. Mind boggling and impossible.

From what I see it only takes about a minute for the procedure. Imagine the size of the clinic, the staff, equipment and the stock of chips to see 60 people an hour all day long just for the implant procedure. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but how long would it take to ramp up to that kind of services of clients? Let's say the world is ready to implant all 7.62 billion people in a week. That's about a billion a day. There would be panic and riots. Look at Covid-19 and the panic buying. There was no pressure from an inability to buy. Imagine the chaos when people are told they can't pay rent or the mortgage or utilities, work or invest if they don't have the mark.  Panic, riots, death and complete chaos would ensue.

Not that chaos and death aren't part of the plan. No doubt they are. I think usurping the earth from our Father and subjugation of mankind is the plan. Isn't it always the same plan with this guy? 

Even if only half the population of earth survives to that point where would 3.8 billion chips come from? That alone is almost impossible inside a year even if 120 producers were making chips 24/7 at the rate of one per second. Maybe they are doing that. Maybe there are enough clinics and techs to implant 3.8 billion people in a week. It just doesn't seem feasible unless we had a decade, at least, after the world is compelled to get the mark.

What I think will happen is the mark will be applied to each person by that person. Remember the ISIS fighters? They were wearing either headbands or wrist bands with the ISIS symbol.

How about the Covid-19 scare? Masks. Each person got their own mask. Even that was a logistical nightmare for something as simple as a mask. Hence, people made their own. Ah...safe and secure from the deadly cold and flu all on your own. If all it takes to prove allegiance to the beast is to sport the symbol, that can be written on any piece of cloth and worn. Got a sharpie and an old bed sheet? Problem solved for a whole family in minutes. The whole world could wear the mark inside a day in this way; furthering the plan of usurping and subjugation.

Throwing it in God's face as it were. "Ha! I did it! I took the world from you. Who is God now?" Maybe. Just my thoughts.

Obviously it's all speculative, but it's not sans fact and logic either.

We have just been conditioned to apply a cloth symbol of trust in the authorities expertise concerning a global issue. So there's that.

 

I don't understand where you get this "one week" idea from. Personally, I have never believed the mark would apply to anyone but the kingdom of the beast which is not the entire world. Nor have I believed he would ever accomplish his goal of making all of them be marked.

In fact I say it is more likely that it would not be long after the marking starts, the kingdom of the beast will be plunged into darkness (Rev 16) in a global or near global grid failure which will wipe data from the computers and they will not be able to buy and sell either. That "mark" carries with it the idea of "etching", "to prick as with a thorn" etc., I don't see the wrist band or head band as fitting well. 

[Diaste]

37 minutes ago, Uriah said:

I don't understand where you get this "one week" idea from. Personally, I have never believed the mark would apply to anyone but the kingdom of the beast which is not the entire world. Nor have I believed he would ever accomplish his goal of making all of them be marked.

Scripture says he causes everyone to receive a mark in the right hand or forehead, from rich to poor; and makes it so everyone who does not worship the beast is killed. And if one cannot buy or sell without the mark that a big motivator as you can neither eat nor work. 

So if one wants to eat and drink and work the mark is required. 3 days without water and you're likely dead. About a month without food and one is dead. 

The idea of '...mark in...' is both in or upon, or either. There's some bias towards 'in' but it's not the whole concept. 

 

 

[Uriah]

12 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Scripture says he causes everyone to receive a mark in the right hand or forehead, from rich to poor; and makes it so everyone who does not worship the beast is killed. And if one cannot buy or sell without the mark that a big motivator as you can neither eat nor work. 

So if one wants to eat and drink and work the mark is required. 3 days without water and you're likely dead. About a month without food and one is dead. 

The idea of '...mark in...' is both in or upon, or either. There's some bias towards 'in' but it's not the whole concept. 

 

 

Yeah like making a decree to the whole world in ancient times and expecting ell on the planet to receive it. So he causes it to happen, but I don't think it will ever be accomplished.

No one will be working when the global cataclysms happen. Many will die, drink wormwood water etc.

The word "mark" is used almost exclusively in Rev, except for in acts when referring to a a graven image. This points to using a sharp object to produce a mark. Not needed for wrist/head bands. 

[Serving]

On 7/23/2020 at 6:55 PM, Diaste said:

I have heard some things over the years about this image of the beast. I assume that an image of some type is probably placed in the Temple since Jesus said, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand, )" Am I supposed to understand what Daniel says about it or the meaning of 'standing where it ought not"? Both probably. That there is some kind of thing in a place where it shouldn't be seems pretty clear even if what it is remains unsolved. Maybe it's a statue, that's popular. Maybe it's any other person but a priest in the place where the person should not be and that's the abomination and this same person is the cause of ongoing desolations. There is some evidence this is valid, or could be.

I have contemplated the idea about whether this image in Rev 13 is a single great image or, as was suggested many years ago, the images are individually made by everyone or at least most people. 

I think there is a better case for personal icons. 

"Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived. The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed. And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,…" Rev 13

In the above the mark is required for each individual. It's not a single giant mark built by the billions strong collective that mankind flocks to and stands under, or some such. I think here the image parallels the mark the mark in that it's a personal possession. The image can speak and cause death for refusal to bow before it. If it's a single image at some location in Israel that's going to be a huge logistical problem. Even if by the time of the image there were only a billion people on earth it seems the time frame would not allow for all of them to appear before a single image to worship it.

"In that day men will cast away to the moles and bats their idols of silver and gold—the idols they made to worship. They will flee to caverns in the rocks and crevices in the cliffs, away from the terror of the LORD and from the splendor of His majesty, when He rises to shake the earth." - Isaiah 2

Isaiah 2 is very interesting end of the age commentary. If you haven't looked at this chapter you should, it's amazing. The above explains it pretty well, "men will cast away to the moles and bats their idols of silver and gold—the idols they made to worship" These are idols each person has made for themselves at the time prior to the day of the Lord. When the Lord appears those idols are thrown into holes in the ground and caves. That is not going to happen to a single image as it can only be thrown away once. Isaiah is saying many idols are cast away. Then just like in Revelation 6, "They will flee to caverns in the rocks and crevices in the cliffs, away from the terror of the LORD and from the splendor of His majesty, when He rises to shake the earth."

This is the KJV:

And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made [each one] for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;

To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

The idea throughout the usage of this word 'asah', is to 'make with your own hands something for yourself'. 

"Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”" - Rev 6

While it's not word for word what we see in Isaiah 2 that it's the same timing and cause and effect is undisputed, or it should be. 

So it's definitely an abomination existing where it shouldn't causing desolation but it's not the same as the idols and images each person makes for themselves which the FP causes to speak and kill.

For instance; How would a single image in a location in Israel know that I would not worship it, then speak and cause me to die when I'm half a world away? 

Telepathy? Facebook post? Email? Chips and WiFi? Yes, there is some sarcasm...

Since I'm fully convinced the end of the age, and all the events of the end of the age, are brought about by vast knowledge and equally vast spiritual power I don't know if I can be convinced technology plays more than a bit part, if any part. But I'm open if it makes sense.

It's like the plagues of Egypt. None of that was 21st century technology. The flood was raw unchecked spiritual power. Sodom was destroyed by the same fierce power in an orgy of wrath. I think the spiritual powers that be don't experience even the slightest amusement at the 'progress' of mankind.

You must have misunderstood me.

I never said that the mark of the beast is the image itself, but the mark itself is given after one accepts the image of the beast.

This is why is said "I might have cracked part of the mystery of the A of D".

As for the idols, unless we are all forced to take pottery classes, I don't believe people will be urged to make personal idols, more likely personal technologies being cast away. But this is a sub class of this subject I don't really care to give examples of because we can all easily theorise on that concept without me writing out a huge list of possibilities .. right? 

I will give one example though .. like see what happens when you take a young persons mobile phone away .. they turn into a ball of uselessness .. that is because they have made their phones their idols .. they have made it more important to themselves in their hearts than the Lord Himself, that is, it has taken the place in their hearts where the Lord should be .. that is, idols of the heart.

Because we musn't forget that the false prophet will regard NO GOD .. so I doubt he would promote personal idols in the old world sense, but he does promote "craft", that is, technology .. and that technology grows and prospers under his direction, and secondly, the false prophet doesn't begin demanding he himself is worshipped until nearing the end of his reign, meaning, that the mark of the beast/image etc is already released before that occurs dispelling any theory saying that the image represents the false prophet himself directly.

However, after years of contemplation, I believe the image of the beast itself will be some global constitution that the world agrees upon .. 

And all one needs to do to represent that constitution is make a simple .. say .. "relief" that represents the image.

Look at the podium where the president speaks, it contains the seal of the United States of America .. the podium itself has no power, but represents the power .. a tiny example easily built upon .. something representing that power is placed that causes desolation .. again, whatever is placed is likely just a representation of that which has the actual power .. "that" being the constitution. 

Probably haven't explained that all that well, but it should suffice, hopefully.

 

[Diaste]

3 hours ago, Serving said:

You must have misunderstood me.

I never said that the mark of the beast is the image itself, but the mark itself is given after one accepts the image of the beast.

This is why is said "I might have cracked part of the mystery of the A of D".

As for the idols, unless we are all forced to take pottery classes, I don't believe people will be urged to make personal idols, more likely personal technologies being cast away. But this is a sub class of this subject I don't really care to give examples of because we can all easily theorise on that concept without me writing out a huge list of possibilities .. right? 

I will give one example though .. like see what happens when you take a young persons mobile phone away .. they turn into a ball of uselessness .. that is because they have made their phones their idols .. they have made it more important to themselves in their hearts than the Lord Himself, that is, it has taken the place in their hearts where the Lord should be .. that is, idols of the heart.

Because we musn't forget that the false prophet will regard NO GOD .. so I doubt he would promote personal idols in the old world sense, but he does promote "craft", that is, technology .. and that technology grows and prospers under his direction, and secondly, the false prophet doesn't begin demanding he himself is worshipped until nearing the end of his reign, meaning, that the mark of the beast/image etc is already released before that occurs dispelling any theory saying that the image represents the false prophet himself directly.

However, after years of contemplation, I believe the image of the beast itself will be some global constitution that the world agrees upon .. 

And all one needs to do to represent that constitution is make a simple .. say .. "relief" that represents the image.

Look at the podium where the president speaks, it contains the seal of the United States of America .. the podium itself has no power, but represents the power .. a tiny example easily built upon .. something representing that power is placed that causes desolation .. again, whatever is placed is likely just a representation of that which has the actual power .. "that" being the constitution. 

Probably haven't explained that all that well, but it should suffice, hopefully.

 

"Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?"

And what I'm saying is there is evidence that the A of D may indeed be an image set up in the Temple (or it could be just the presences of a person in the wrong place) but there is also evidence the image of the beast are personal icons as Isaiah 2 tells us. 

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, Uriah said:

Yeah like making a decree to the whole world in ancient times and expecting ell on the planet to receive it. So he causes it to happen, but I don't think it will ever be accomplished.

No one will be working when the global cataclysms happen. Many will die, drink wormwood water etc.

The word "mark" is used almost exclusively in Rev, except for in acts when referring to a a graven image. This points to using a sharp object to produce a mark. Not needed for wrist/head bands. 

I understand. 

"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again."

It's not like there is a precedent. We have no comparison. The extreme here is the days of GT are even worse than the Flood which killed everyone save for the passengers on the ark. 

Just look at how simple it was for all the countries of the world to lock the people down over Covid when it wasn't a threat. They said it was a threat and we believed them. The truth is coming out the fear was generated and not real. The virus is real, the narrative of the media and world governments wasn't.

But the point is we all followed what they said. Most every country and their leaders acted as one. It's probable the whole world will follow the edict of the beast and the deception of the FP when it's that or empty stomachs.

And the mask. The mark of obedience. A non-mask shaming culture has risen. The people think the mask saves their life and those who don't wear the mask endanger others. The coming segregation and culling action has taken root. 

How far away is the acceptance of the whole world of the mark of the beast when it's eat or starve? 

Yeah, the whole world will kneel.

[Serving]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

"Well, when reading about the Abomination of Desolation, that is what happened to me.

And that voice in my head told me this, "This is the image of the beast"

And it just seemed so logical, so obvious, and I thought to myself, "How did I not see this before" ?"

And what I'm saying is there is evidence that the A of D may indeed be an image set up in the Temple (or it could be just the presences of a person in the wrong place) but there is also evidence the image of the beast are personal icons as Isaiah 2 tells us. 

Ah, i see .. 

Just to recap,

Seeing that I see the image of the beast as some sort of global agreement or constitution framed by the inhabitants of the world and enforced by the false prophet, whatever is physically set up will either contain the image, be the image (some sort of AI containing the laws) or merely representing the image already laid out by the inhabitants of the earth .. along those lines anyway.

I don't see the peoples throwing out their "idols" as being connected to the image of the beast though.

Touch on that later though.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Serving