ONLY ONE GOSPEL ?

[Marathoner]

42 minutes ago, douge said:

Gentiles could always come to God through Israel.

In Matthew 28:19 what gospel were the disciples supposed to preach to the nations?

More than one member have labored in this topic to illustrate your error, douge. On the one hand you readily acknowledge that salvation is in the Lord and not a nation; on the other you revert to your "default" position insisting that salvation in is Israel. The above is an example of this. 

Has it not been written? Abraham wasn't a Jew... Enoch wasn't... and neither was Job. The Canaanite woman and the Samaritan woman weren't either but seeing as how the testimony of God's own words isn't sufficient to remove your confusion we're locked into a loop of your own making.  

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, douge said:

Lets go back to the beginning 

Absolutely!  Only ONE Gospel.  What does it mean to preach the Gospel?  It means to preach everything Jesus taught.  .…and you know where it’s written?  It’s all written in God’s Word. 

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If we are to preach all Jesus taught, why would we not preach this? Would we not say we can not go to the Gentiles ? Would we not only go to the Jews?

I was responding that we were to preach EVERYTHING Jesus taught.

Now you, are rightly dividing, and saying this was for a specific time....you are doing what we should and rightly dividing. You would have to rightly divide otherwise you have contradictions sometimes....you can not say we just preach and obey everything, you can not.

The gospel is to the Jew first, then the Gentile......Jesus gave Israel first dibs to walk into her destiny, to enter the kingdom of God, to fulfill the promises made to her.  But she sadly rejected it, except for a remnant.  

[douge]

16 hours ago, theElect777 said:

The Gospel is Christ Crucified, Died, Resurrection!   Don't confuse Baptismal Formulas with Gospel.   The 2 are not remotely close to being the same thing.

While I am glad you know the gospel, saying they were preaching the cross just as Paul can not be found in the four gospels or the beginning of Acts. Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom, in which, Christ and the remnant of Israel will reign over the nations on earth. They only preached to believe on the name of Jesus, that he is Christ,Son of God (John 20:31) for eternal life.

[douge]

15 hours ago, Marathoner said:

You don't know?

God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16) Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved (Romans 10:13; Joel 2:32). 

Look at John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is what they had to believe before the full manifestation of the gospel was given to Paul. They did not have to believe Jesus died for their sins, they had to believe only in his name, that he is Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31).

That is a wonderful verse, but it is not our gospel. There is nothing of the cross.

Our gospel was revealed to Paul and is found in 1 Corinthians 15:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
We are all sinners who can not save ourselves.
See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6
Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.
See 2 Corinthians 5:21  Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26
He was buried.
He rose again for our justification ( to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.
See     Romans 4:25  Ephesians 1:7  Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30
All we have to do is believe the gospel.
See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13
Believing is being persuaded that something is true.
See Romans 4:21
The moment you believe you have eternal life.
Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7 
Trust the gospel of your salvation. Believe in Jesus Christ to have provided payment for your sins and to give you eternal life. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, his death and his resurrection.

[douge]

16 hours ago, douge said:

There's only ever been one gospel

Yes, you gave the gospel we are to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 but you can not find this gospel before Paul.

[douge]

16 hours ago, David1701 said:

1 Cor. 15:1-8 (VW)

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2 by which also you are being kept safe, if you hold fast that Word which I preached to you; unless you believe in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until the present time, but some have fallen asleep.
7 After that He was seen by Jacob, then by each of the apostles.
8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one of untimely birth.

Yes, you gave the gospel we are to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 but you can not find this gospel before Paul.

[David1701]

1 minute ago, douge said:

Yes, you gave the gospel we are to believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 but you can not find this gospel before Paul.

The gospel was first given in Genesis 3:15.  We did not have all the details at that point, but the gospel is the same.

[douge]

16 hours ago, Marathoner said:

On the one hand you readily acknowledge that salvation is in the Lord and not a nation; on the other you revert to your "default" position insisting that salvation in is Israel.

They are both the case.

The only way Israel could be saved was by faith; to get the inheritance in the kingdom on earth, they had to keep the law, they had to keep the covenants. The only way a Gentile could come to God was to bless Israel and be a proselyte; they would then enter the kingdom as well.

Paul revealed that in this dispensation of grace both Jew and Gentile could be saved by faith in Christ and his redemption by the cross apart from Israel, apart from the law, and apart from covenants.

[douge]

9 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The gospel was first given in Genesis 3:15.  We did not have all the details at that point, but the gospel is the same.

Ok yes, there is more than one gospel, but there was never any provision for salvation other than the shed blood of Christ.  They had to believe the gospel revealed, the gospels were not complete, they did not have the full revelation of the gospel. Our gospel is found only in Paul's epistles, where we find the full revelation of the gospel of God.

[Who me]

18 hours ago, douge said:

Lets go back to the beginning 

Absolutely!  Only ONE Gospel.  What does it mean to preach the Gospel?  It means to preach everything Jesus taught.  .…and you know where it’s written?  It’s all written in God’s Word. 

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If we are to preach all Jesus taught, why would we not preach this? Would we not say we can not go to the Gentiles ? Would we not only go to the Jews?

I was responding that we were to preach EVERYTHING Jesus taught.

Now you, are rightly dividing, and saying this was for a specific time....you are doing what we should and rightly dividing. You would have to rightly divide otherwise you have contradictions sometimes....you can not say we just preach and obey everything, you can not.

 

The way you started this was giving the idea that we Must be preaching only to the Jews.

If you had worded it differently I would not have responded.