Existance

[Justin Adams]

So a patient got a transplant. The patient was vegan and the donor a junk food junkie.

After the recovery, the patient felt the 'need' for hamburgers and fries, something never before entertained. The vegan changed food habits by the introduction of a different organ.

The brain has intimate connection with all our organs in two-way communication. We understand so little.

[JohnD]

The bottom line is the first and second laws of thermodynamics:

2nd Law (maximum entropy) nothing is eternal

1st Law (conservation) from nothing nothing comes

... cancel out the possibility of existence of any kind, unless...

1. an eternal intelligence exists
2. with the power to overrule the laws of physics and cosmology

acted (created) with deliberate design.

[FluffyBunny.]

On 10/16/2020 at 1:20 AM, JohnD said:

2nd Law (maximum entropy) nothing is eternal

If the second law of thermodynamics states that nothing is eternal, then God can not exist because he is eternal. I disagree with your interpretation of the second law of thermodynamics, it simply states that entropy increases in an isolated system. Our universe can be eternal, but at some point reach a point of maximum entropy.

 

 

On 10/16/2020 at 1:20 AM, JohnD said:

1st Law (conservation) from nothing nothing comes

If the law of conservation, was defined as from nothing nothing comes, then that makes God impossible, because he can not come from nothing. It also makes every miracle impossible, because God can not create matter or energy from nothing. I also disagree with this interpretation of the first law of thermodynamics. The first law of thermodynamics simply states that energy is conserved.

Edited October 27, 2020 by FluffyBunny.

[JohnD]

15 hours ago, FluffyBunny. said:

If the second law of thermodynamics states that nothing is eternal, then God can not exist because he is eternal. I disagree with your interpretation of the second law of thermodynamics, it simply states that entropy increases in an isolated system. Our universe can be eternal, but at some point reach a point of maximum entropy.

 

 

If the law of conservation, was defined as from nothing nothing comes, then that makes God impossible, because he can not come from nothing. It also makes every miracle impossible, because God can not create matter or energy from nothing. I also disagree with this interpretation of the first law of thermodynamics. The first law of thermodynamics simply states that energy is conserved.

Actually God transcends the laws of physics evidenced by the fact that his creation exists despite the logical out come of the two laws of thermodynamics which militate against the existence of anything.

Edited October 28, 2020 by JohnD

[FluffyBunny.]

5 hours ago, JohnD said:

Actually God transcends the laws of physics evidenced by the fact that his creation exists despite the logical out come of the two laws of thermodynamics which militate against the existence of anything.

Why do you think that a God transcends the laws of physics? Why can´t I say the beginning of the universe transcends the laws of physics, therefore the existence of everything does not need a creator?

 

You can not say that creation is evidence for the claim that God transcends the laws of physics, without first demonstrating that God actually created something. Can you tell me, why you think that our existence, goes against the laws of thermodynamics??

Edited October 28, 2020 by FluffyBunny.

[JohnD]

On 10/28/2020 at 1:26 AM, FluffyBunny. said:

Why do you think that a God transcends the laws of physics? Why can´t I say the beginning of the universe transcends the laws of physics, therefore the existence of everything does not need a creator?

 

You can not say that creation is evidence for the claim that God transcends the laws of physics, without first demonstrating that God actually created something. Can you tell me, why you think that our existence, goes against the laws of thermodynamics??

The universe and everything in it are too well ordered to have happened randomly.

 

[Guest]

On 10/29/2020 at 6:16 AM, JohnD said:

The universe and everything in it are too well ordered to have happened randomly.

One thing we can agree on.

[Mike Mclees]

One of the hottest subject on You Tube is the mystery  of consciousness. Why is  consciousness called consciousness. How did it get that name. Consciousness of the broad scope of all that is being alive or dead. Many  people may want to personalize consciousness as being a part of every individual.   

I believe consciousness is all that exists, all that is regality, but is more than that being in our very emotions. There is no common explanation for what it is. I watch Closer to the Truth. They were willing to say that consciousness  and God  are one in the same. With it consciences nothing exists therefore it is finite as God is finite. First chapter of Geniuses it says God created all thing. Existence is not the Big Bang.. but it is all that is spoken by God. " And God said" you cannot take God out of the question of existence. God said this and that and it was so. Consciousness  is the key to to the fine tuning of the Universe being all consuming whether we can see it or not see it. touch it or not touch it . A question comes up about the conscious mind. Are they the same? Can consciousness be inseparable of the mind. I'm going to pose a question of right or wrong., good or evil. Does out of the conscious mind come both good and evil.

Can God and that which is evil dwell in the same house?. Must they be together to define good from evil?. This is after man lost his innocents. Good and evil is a matter of choice.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[abcdef]

On 2/7/2021 at 9:58 AM, Mike Mclees said:

One of the hottest subject on You Tube is the mystery  of consciousness. Why is  consciousness called consciousness. How did it get that name. Consciousness of the broad scope of all that is being alive or dead. Many  people may want to personalize consciousness as being a part of every individual.   

I believe consciousness is all that exists, all that is regality, but is more than that being in our very emotions. There is no common explanation for what it is. I watch Closer to the Truth. They were willing to say that consciousness  and God  are one in the same. With it consciences nothing exists therefore it is finite as God is finite. First chapter of Geniuses it says God created all thing. Existence is not the Big Bang.. but it is all that is spoken by God. " And God said" you cannot take God out of the question of existence. God said this and that and it was so. Consciousness  is the key to to the fine tuning of the Universe being all consuming whether we can see it or not see it. touch it or not touch it . A question comes up about the conscious mind. Are they the same? Can consciousness be inseparable of the mind. I'm going to pose a question of right or wrong., good or evil. Does out of the conscious mind come both good and evil.

Can God and that which is evil dwell in the same house?. Must they be together to define good from evil?. This is after man lost his innocents. Good and evil is a matter of choice.

 

Ex 3:14, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

The eternal consciousness.

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The soul is the body and spirit together, a complete individual. "...; and man became a living soul." Gen 2:7

The spirit is mind and heart, the body is material flesh, and they war within us and around us.

One thing that the Bible centers on is the awareness of the heart and mind towards God. 

Adam walked with God, but then fell away from His presence. His fellowship and awareness level of God fell.

In contrast, the indwelling of the HS for a Christian should make us constantly aware of His presence.

This awareness level has shaped the world we live in today.

[Regenerated-Adult]

abcdef, you said, "

In contrast, the indwelling of the HS for a Christian should make us constantly aware of His presence."

There's a rub there, right?  I mean, if the HS should make us constantly aware of His presence, and that isn't actually the case, it means Christians are not constantly aware of his presence.  Which probably means the HS comes and goes in a person's life.  I find it interesting indeed that Christians go about saying, "the holy spirit lives in me" as if it is a constant experience of God.  They perhaps mistakenly FEEL that to be the case, but the reality is probably much different.

Sorry, I derailed the thread here but when I saw that comment I felt compelled to reply.