BeauJangles Posted July 19, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, steve morrow said: AS I'VE SAID ?? AND YOU SAY WHAT ?? --IS IT NOT TRUE THAT JESUS SAYS BECAUSE HIS FATHER SAID SO-- ACTS 20:29 for I know this that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you --20:30-- also of your ownselves shall men arise --SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS-- to draw away disciples after them PROVERBS 8:8 all the words of MY MOUTH are in righteousness there is nothing froward or --PERVERSE--in them 1 JOHN 2:9 if we confess our sins HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from --ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS-- PROVERBS 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgement MATTHEW 5:6 blessed are they which do --HUNGER AND THIRST-- AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS-- for they shall be filled MATTHEW 6:33 but --SEEK YOU FIRST-- the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness and all these things shall be --ADDED-- unto you ACTS 5:32 and we are HIS witnesses of these things and so is also the holy spirit whom GOD hath given to them that obey HIM JOHN 6:63 it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing --THE WORDS THAT --I SPEAK-- unto you they are spirit and they are life JOHN 5:21 for as THE FATHER raiseth up the dead and quickeneth them even so THE SON quickeneth whom HE will 1 CORINTHIANS 15:45 and so it is written the first man adam was made a living soul the last adam was made a quickening spirit JOHN 3:34 for HE whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD for GOD giveth not the spirit by measure unto HIM 1 CORINTHIANS 1:30 but of HIM are you in CHRIST JESUS who of GOD is made unto us --WISDOM -- AND RIGHTEOUSNESS--AND SANCTIFICATION--AND REDEMPTION --1:31-- that according as it is written --HE THAT GLORIETH LET HIM GLORY IN THE LORD JOHN 8:47 he that is of GOD heareth GODS words you therefore hear them not because you are not of GOD JOHN 10:26 but you believe not because you are not of MY SHEEP as I SAID unto you --10:27-- MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW --ME-- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WaIt A mInUtE. LeT mE ChEcK tHiS oUt NoW. tHiS wAy Of PoStInG iS cOnFuSiNg To ReAd. Oh. Okay now. Some what better. Not much though. Humor an old man his continued requests and level thy font! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 19, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Let me share this if it would be alright. Now, I've been mourning the loss of one of our dear ladies here and I'm sad at her passing. It's been difficult to keep a smile and a sense of humor, but by the power of His presence the Holy Spirit, I'm going on with the grace and consoling of the Comforter. Yes, the Holy Ghost. One of our ladies named Miss Ina, just wheeled up to me and I told her, "I need a great big ol' hug from you, Miss Ina." As I leaned to embrace her, I was just saying into her ear, "Dear Jesus, just envelope BOTH of us now with your love." Whoa! I felt it! It ran through the two of us immediately! I'm telling you, I certainly needed that right about now. Amd Miss Ina is a 'holiness' lady who befriended me when she came here last year. I know some of her family so that was nice. My mourning has turned to rejoicing once again in the Lord! Amen and Hallelujah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted July 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,318 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,369 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, LadyKay said: I am thinking now that when a person is saved. They have the Holy Spirit in their life at the moment they become saved. Then from there with the help from the Holy Spirit, that they grow in their Christian walk. I am thinking that there is no two classed of Christians. Those who are just saved, and those who are saved and also have the Holy Spirit or also called Saved and Sanctify. So what do you all think of this? Am I one the right path here with thinking that when you are saved you have the Holy Spirit right then? Or Does the Holy Spirit come later? You are correct. Upon being born again, we are sealed (have) the Holy Spirit. Sanctification is the lifelong process of our being conformed to the image of Christ. Sometimes Christians might experience a special sense of the Holy Spirit, but we don't base our faith on that. Edited July 20, 2020 by Debp 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 20, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Online Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Justin Adams said: Read all about Cornelius. That might answer that question. The rest is just a bunch of doctrine boxes, generally invented by the priestly class to subjugate believers and somehow control them. The Spirit blows where He wills. All apostles believe in Jesus, Peter said Jesus is the Son of God and Jesus told him it was the Holy Spirit who inspired peter, however Jesus told them not to leave Jerusalem for the promise of Holy Spirit which was poured on Pentecost day. Edited July 20, 2020 by R. Hartono 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted July 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 20, 2020 22 hours ago, LadyKay said: I remember being taught that a person gets saved, but does not receive the Holy Spirit until sometime later. That the gift of the Holy Spirit is a separate thing from being saved. And that you have to seek out the Holy Spirit in order to have the Holy Spirit in your life. This was referred to as "sanctification". In other words. You can be saved and on your way to Heaven. But you do not have the Holy Spirit in your life unless you seek to have it and that comes after you have been saved. I am now starting to question this way of thinking. I am thinking now that when a person is saved. They have the Holy Spirit in their life at the moment they become saved. Then from there with the help from the Holy Spirit, that they grow in their Christian walk. I am thinking that there is no two classed of Christians. Those who are just saved, and those who are saved and also have the Holy Spirit or also called Saved and Sanctify. So what do you all think of this? Am I one the right path here with thinking that when you are saved you have the Holy Spirit right then? Or Does the Holy Spirit come later? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 20, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2020 The Holy Spirit was at work in our lives before we were saved. Who convicted us of our sin and the need for salvation? John 16:8-11 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. We do read in Acts 8:14-17 words that will cause one to rethink the process we go through as those in Samaria had not yet received the Holy Spirit even after accepting Christ. When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. We also see this in Acts 19:1-7 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve men in all. I believe that when we are saved we are indeed sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30), but yet we do not have the Holy Spirit until we are properly baptized as shown in Acts. Everything is a process in life, including our growth in Christ. Once we do receive the Holy Spirit, He then can work in us so we will be like Christ and walk in the calling chosen for us with the applied gift(s). I do not believe there is a cookie punch method and everyone follows the one in front of them as an assembly line. We are each different and He works in us in different ways toward the same goal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted July 20, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 10:19 AM, LadyKay said: I remember being taught that a person gets saved, but does not receive the Holy Spirit until sometime later. That the gift of the Holy Spirit is a separate thing from being saved. And that you have to seek out the Holy Spirit in order to have the Holy Spirit in your life. This was referred to as "sanctification". In other words. You can be saved and on your way to Heaven. But you do not have the Holy Spirit in your life unless you seek to have it and that comes after you have been saved. I am now starting to question this way of thinking. I am thinking now that when a person is saved. They have the Holy Spirit in their life at the moment they become saved. Then from there with the help from the Holy Spirit, that they grow in their Christian walk. I am thinking that there is no two classed of Christians. Those who are just saved, and those who are saved and also have the Holy Spirit or also called Saved and Sanctify. So what do you all think of this? Am I one the right path here with thinking that when you are saved you have the Holy Spirit right then? Or Does the Holy Spirit come later? When we are saved, we get the Holy Spirit as an earnest of our salvation, Some are content with only this others will receive the full baptism of the Holy Spirit, which comes later. The apostles received the Holy Spirit when they first met the risen Jesus after the resurrection (John 20:22) But the Holy Spirit gave them the baptism of the Spirit after that on Pentecost which was in fulness. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G728&t=KJV The Word earnest refers to down payment for when the fulness comes in so for example: Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest G728 of the Spirit in our hearts. (2 Cor. 1:22) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest G728 of the Spirit. (2 Cor. 5:5) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,Which is the earnest G728 of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory._(Eph 1:14-15) If you go on reading Ephesians it will discuss what that fulness entails.... I encourage all to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted July 21, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,048 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 368 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted July 21, 2020 AND GOD SAYS PROVERBS 30:5 every word of GOD is pure HE is a shield unto them that put their trust in HIM --30:6-- add thou not unto HIS words lest HE reprove thee and thou be found a liar ACTS 5:20 go stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life JOHN 6:27 labor not for the meat which perisheth but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life which --THE SON OF MAN-- shall give unto you for --HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER SEALED-- MATTHEW 10:20 for it is not you that speak but the spirit of your FATHER which speaketh in you ISAIAH 30:1 woe to the rebellious children saith THE LORD that take counsel but not of ME and that cover with a covering --BUT NOT OF MY SPIRIT-- that they may add sin to sin PROVERBS 1:23 turn you at MY reproof behold I will pour out MY spirit unto you I will make known MY words unto you LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 21, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Online Share Posted July 21, 2020 11 hours ago, OneLight said: When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. We also see this in Acts 19:1-7 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve men in all. I believe that when we are saved we are indeed sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30), but yet we do not have the Holy Spirit until we are properly baptized as shown in Acts. Everything is a process in life, including our growth in Christ. Once we do receive the Holy Spirit, He then can work in us so we will be like Christ and walk in the calling chosen for us with the applied gift(s). I do not believe there is a cookie punch method and everyone follows the one in front of them as an assembly line. We are each different and He works in us in different ways toward the same goal. Holy Spirit is knocking at the door but people refuse to open the door saying "No thanks we have Jesus here already" ??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted July 21, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) On 7/19/2020 at 9:19 AM, LadyKay said: I remember being taught that a person gets saved, but does not receive the Holy Spirit until sometime later. That the gift of the Holy Spirit is a separate thing from being saved. And that you have to seek out the Holy Spirit in order to have the Holy Spirit in your life. This was referred to as "sanctification". In other words. You can be saved and on your way to Heaven. But you do not have the Holy Spirit in your life unless you seek to have it and that comes after you have been saved. I am now starting to question this way of thinking. I am thinking now that when a person is saved. They have the Holy Spirit in their life at the moment they become saved. Then from there with the help from the Holy Spirit, that they grow in their Christian walk. I am thinking that there is no two classed of Christians. Those who are just saved, and those who are saved and also have the Holy Spirit or also called Saved and Sanctify. So what do you all think of this? Am I one the right path here with thinking that when you are saved you have the Holy Spirit right then? Or Does the Holy Spirit come later? I think you are referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. When we come to faith, repentance and baptized in water you are at the point washed and adopted into the family of God and receive his forgiveness and mercy and born again. The baptism of Holy Spirit sometimes referred to as the Baptism of Fire comes after you believe. The baptism of the Holy Spirit for empowering you to be his witness. Edited July 21, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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