The Pre Tribulation Raptured Church

[DeighAnn]

GREEK   THUS THEREFORE PRAY YOU

FATHER OF US
WHO IS IN THE HEAVENS
HALLOWED BE THE NAME OF YOU
COME THE KINGDOM OF YOU
BE DONE THE WILL OF YOU
AS IN HEAVEN SO ALSO UPON EARTH

THE BREAD OF US
DAILY GRANT US TODAY

AND FORGIVE US THE DEBTS OF US
AS ALSO WE FORGIVE THE DEBTORS OF US

AND NOT LEAD US INTO TEMPTATION
BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL
FOR YOURS IS THE KINGDOM AND THE 
POWER AND THE GLORY FOR THE AGES
AMEN

3986 PERIIASMOS
AN EXPERIMENT, A TRIAL, TEMPTATION

TRIAL, PROBATION, TESTING, BEING TRIED, CALAMITY, AFFLICTION

THE TRYING OR PROVING OF MAN'S FIDELITY, INTEGRITY, VIRTUE, CONSTANCY

SENT BY GOD TO PROVE ONES FAITH

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COMING HERE.  ONLY THOSE ASLEEP GO ON TO PARADISE.  THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL NOT ARE THOSE WHO WILL BE CHANGED WHEN JESUS RETURNS AS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS ON THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, THE LORDS DAY, WHEN HIS FEET WILL TOUCH THE MOUNT, AND WILL REIGN FOR 1000 YEARS.  THE SAME 1000 YEARS SATAN IS BOUND.
 

1  Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

WHAT DOES THAT SAY?    THE TRIAL/TRIBULATION/TESTING OF OUR FAITH IS PRECIOUS TO GOD  
MORE PRECIOUS THAN OF GOLD, WHICH PERISHES. 
THOUGH OUR FAITH BE TRIED WITH FIRE IT MAY BE FOUND UNTO PRAISE AND HONOR AND GLORY
WHEN? 
AT THE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST.  TRIAL FIRST, CHRIST COMES AFTER. 

EZEKIEL 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
WHAT IS BEING SAID IN EZEKIEL?  THERE ARE LYING PEOPLE PUTTING FORTH A DOCTRINE THAT
IS ACTUALLY OUT HUNTING FOR YOUR SOUL,
TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL BY FLYING AWAY.  
I WILL SAY NO MORE ON WHAT DOCTRINE THAT COULD BE.  

 

Luke 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Luke 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

Luke 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Luke 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

 

Luke 22:39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.

Luke 22:40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.

Luke 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but Thine, be done.

Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Luke 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Luke 22:46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

Luke 22:47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.

WHAT ARE WE TOLD, WATCH, DON'T SLEEP AND PRAY. GODS WILL, WILL BE DONE AND SATANS DESIRE IT TO HAVE US.  AND WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TO THIS?  PRE TRIB RAP?  NOPE 

THE RESPONSE TO THAT IS A PRAYER THAT YOUR FAITH FAIL NOT.  

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2 Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

WHAT DOES THIS TELL US? ABSENT FROM THE BODY PRESENT WITH THE LORD.  GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT THE DEAD IN A GRAVE ROTTING AWAY.  DON'T LET ANYONE EVER STEAL THIS FROM YOU WITH WISE WORDS FROM THIS WORLD.  IT IS THE SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST.  THERE IS NO EXPLANATION  MADE BY MAN THAT CHANGES THIS.  THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THIS IS TO BE FOUND.


 

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

2 Corinthians 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
WHERE IS THE LIFE OF JESUS MANIFEST?  IN OUR MORTAL FLESH.  HERE ON EARTH.  WE HAVE WORK TO DO.  
 

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

2 Corinthians 4:14 Knowing that He which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?
ABSENT FROM THE BODY PRESENT WITH THE LORD.  
GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT A CORPSE IN A GRAVE ROTTING AWAY.  DON'T LET ANYONE EVER STEAL THIS FROM YOU WITH WISE WORDS FROM THIS WORLD.  IT IS THE SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST. 
NOT MY WORDS, NOT MY THOUGHTS, GODS. 
DO NOT BE BEGUILED AS SATAN BEGUILED EVE.  STAY FAITHFUL TO THE WORD.  

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL US? ABSENT FROM THE BODY PRESENT WITH THE LORD.  GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT THE DEAD IN A GRAVE ROTTING AWAY.  DON'T LET ANYONE EVER STEAL THIS FROM YOU WITH WISE WORDS FROM THIS WORLD.  IT IS THE SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST.  THERE IS NO EXPLANATION  MADE BY MAN THAT CHANGES THIS.  THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THIS IS TO BE FOUND.  
 

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

2 Corinthians 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;

and

2 Corinthians 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by love unfeigned,

2 Corinthians 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
 

 

2 Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

AND WHERE IS THEIR POWER?  Revelation 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

FOR THEIR POWER IS IN THEIR MOUTH and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
WHAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS ARE LIES THAT WILL BURN KILL AND DESTROY YOUR SOUL THROUGH THEIR DECEPTION

 

WHAT WOULD A GOOD CHRISTIAN DO FOR GOD?

2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

2 Corinthians 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

2 Corinthians 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

2 Corinthians 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

 2  Corinthians 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.


2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, timing instances seem to confuse you sister,

JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE I AM CONFUSED, DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUTH

AND

DOESN'T MAKE THE RAPTURE DOCTRINE WORK.  

 

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

TRIAL/TRIBULATION BEFORE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST.  

THIS IS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO JESUS CHRIST APPEARING WITHOUT A TRIAL/TRIBULATION

WHICH IS THE RAP THEORY

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

What is the "mystery of God" that is finished?

At the 7th trump, when Christ returns as Lord of lords and King of kings, there will be

Not for Israel, not for the Jews, not for the gentiles converts (made joint heirs in the promises and body)
will  THERE BE any MORE QUESTIONS,  not to who, what, where, how or why and not to what Gods Plan is and always has been all about. 
All eyes will know and see for themselves, all knees will bow, like it or not
and the Lords Day will begin.

 

 

5 hours ago, abcdef said:

If the mystery of God is finished when the 7th trumpet sounds, what mystery of God can exist after the trumpet sounds? 

Got me. It is finished sounds like the end to me.  
 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are mistaken yet again: we are changed into resurrection bodies at the time (pretrib) because the destination is heaven: flesh and blood cannot inherit HEAVEN.

I still disagree.  say it 1000 times, I disagree.  There is no pre trib rap.   

WE ARE CHANGED BECAUSE CHRIST IS COMING HERE. 

THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN.  IF IT WAS PRE TRIB THEN THERE WOULD BE NO ONE LEFT ON EARTH BECAUSE ALL ON EARTH ARE EITHER SPIRITUALLY ALIVE OR SPIRITUALLY DEAD.   

The kingdom of God is COMING HERE.  

THE ONLY REASON GIVEN FOR PRE TRIB IS "NOT TO SUFFER WRATH" "KEPT FROM HOUR".

THATS IT.  THOSE ARE THE FACTS THAT ARE GIVEN FOR IT.  

CAN'T BE 1 THESS BECAUSE OF 2 THESS.  CAN'T TAKE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.  2 NEGATES WHAT THE THEORY SAYS 1 SAYS.  THE THEORY HAS YET TO GET AROUND IT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM OF GODS TRUTH.  LOTS OF MANS WISDOM HAS EXPLANATIONS OF HOW THIS REALLY MEANS THAT, BUT IT ISN'T WORKING. 

EVEN IF IT ONLY VOIDED OUT ONE VERSE I WOULD BE DONE.  BUT CONSIDERING IT VOIDS OUT ALMOST ALL THE WORDS OF GOD IN RELATION TO CHRISTS RETURN, TO CHRISTS BODY, AND ALL OF REVELATION AND ALL THE QUESTIONS ASKED ARE MET WITH WORLDLY  EXPLANATIONS SO CONFUSING I AM SURE THOSE WHO PROFESS THE THEORY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND IT, I JUST FIND MYSELF MORE SURE IN MY BELIEFS.  QUESTIONS I HAVE ASKED MYSELF ON EVERY TURN ARE ANSWERED RIGHT THERE PLAIN AND SIMPLE IN GODS WORDS.  IF I EVER HAD EVEN A THOUGHT TO BELIEVE IT, THAT IS LONG GONE.  


 I HAVE SHOWN SCRIPTURE AFTER SCRIPTURE THAT GODS WRATH FALLS ON THEM NOT US. 

WHERE IS THE FAITH IN THE POWER OF GOD TO DO AS HE SAYS? 

IF HE SAYS IT FALLS ON THEM, WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK IT WOULD FALL ON US NO MATTER WHERE OUR "BODIES" FLESH OR SPIRITUAL WERE? 
GOD SAYS "ON THEM" , I BELEIVE GOD.  I DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE TO BELIEVE HIM. 


GOD DOESN'T SAY HE IT TAKING ANY ONE TO HEAVEN WHO HAS NOT DIED.  

HOW I CAN TELL WHO HE HAS TAKEN TO HEAVEN?  IT IS WRITTEN

IS IT WRITTEN THE CHURCH WILL BE RAPTURED TO HEAVEN PRE TRIB? 

CERTAINLY NOT IN ANY WORDS SPECIFIC.  BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT FISH I CAN EAT AND WHAT ONES I CAN'T. 

IT'S ALL ILLUSIONS.  SMOKE AND MIRRORS. 


IF IT WERE REAL THEN SCRIPTURE WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH BY NOW. 

AND I AM NOT TALKING SCRIPTURES "WITH EXPLANATIONS" BECAUSE IN THEM WIGGLE ROOM CAN BE FOUND "TO BACK THIS OR THAT" SO WE ARE GOING WITH "THAT" AND NOW THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS.  

I AM TALKING SCRIPTURES THAT ARE THE EXPLANATIONS. SUCH AS "THAT DAY WILL NOT COME"  "NO GATHERING UNTIL AFTER"

 

[Guest theElect777]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I agree that there is a future day of the Lord coming, against Jerusalem, a final day, an end of the planet in fire day. That final "day" is going to be the 70th week plus: at least 7 years. It is laid out in Revelation with 7's so very easy to find.  What I cannot find is any hint of 70 AD anywhere. Yes, of course it took place during the first 5 seals time frame, but the seals are not about 70 AD. 

Seal 1: the church, sent out with the gospel
Seals 2, 3, and 4: the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel - using wars, famines, pestilences, and wild beasts - but God limited them in their theater of operation to only 1/4 of the earth. We can make a good guess that that 1/4 would be centered on Jerusalem where the gospel began.  That would or could take in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Where have two world wars started, and without a doubt where the third world war will begin?  Europe. Where did the black plague hit twice, and kill around 1/3 of the population both times? Again, Europe. Where has famine after famine hit - and where has the aids epidemic hit the worst? Africa.  However, all that said, Satan failed to keep the gospel in that 1/4th. It is now everywhere. 

Finally we get to the 5th seal, the martyrs of the church age - a mostly Gentile church since the Jewish church died out. They had no idea how long the church age would go. So they asked. The answer is a hint to the timing of Paul's rapture. Basically they are told they have to wait for the final number of martyrs - or the last martyr. It will be the rapture that will end the church age that will cause that last martyr to be killed. For a while after that God will prevent any deaths. Then the next martyrs will be 70th week martyrs.

As I see it, the church has been waiting at the 5th seal - waiting for that final martyr, all this time. A moment after the rapture the Day of the Lord will begin (6th seal) and probably 10 days later, the 7th seal will begin the 70th week. 

So WHERE is 70 AD? It seems Jesus had no room in this book for that event.  It is mostly about Israel's future. 

But there was also a day of the Lord against Jerusalem at the end of the temple age.  Knowing the difference, clarifies the timeline. God taught me the timeline.  First He sent me to find "the exact midpoint 'clearly marked,'" then the entire 70th week "clearly marked." Then He spent months (only because it was SO SLOW) teaching me chapters 4 & 5.  Sorry, but I just cannot find 70 AD anywhere - not even reading between the lines. 

The Revelation was given in 96 AD approx..  That we can agree on! Hallelujah!

The seals show the time before 96 AD and the trumpets after 96 AD.  Even you believe that some seals are already open, right? Here we disagree. I cannot find 96 AD anywhere. Please enlighten me. I think the "dividing point:" history and future - is clearly marked between the 5th seal martyrs of the church age and the 6th seal start of the future Day of the Lord.  When you study what was told to the early martyrs: that they have to wait for judgment until the last martyr killed as they were killed.....what to make of that? They were killed in DIFFERENT ways: some beheaded, some crucified, etc. I don't think that is the meaning: HOW each martyr was killed. It must be something common to all of them. I am now convinced the meaning is, killed as they all were killed - as church age martyrs.

But all the seals must be opened to know what the scroll/book says. This is not really true either. It was opened in the VISION so we know what happens before all the seals are opened. I think you are on the right track here though: it is for CERTAIN that the book cannot be opened until all 7 seals are opened first. But I think what is written INSIDE the book is the entire 70th week of Daniel - which will begin with the trumpet judgments. 

What the scroll says is the story of the 2 witnesses (2W's).  No, John is not even introduced to the two witnesses until just before the midpoint of the week: between the 6th and 7th trumpets. It makes sense that what is inside the book is revealed as soon as the 7th seal is opened. What comes next? Trumpets. 

And since we now know what the scroll says and have known since 96 AD when the letters were sent to the 7 congregations, Ah! YES, we agree again.

It means that the seals were broken in the 96 AD time period, when the Revelation was given to John.  Ah! Now I understand. I just disagree. It was a vision: God could have given the same exact vision in 33 AD, or 34 AD, or 40 AD, or 50 AD. God chose to wait until 95 AD. God can show ANY ... TIME in a vision, past events, present events or future events. All all three mixed together.  For John, God showed him all three. 

It is impossible that they are future, because we have known since 96 AD what the scroll/book says and the seals had to be opened in order for that to be revealed.  God could have revealed that book with 7 seals to Paul. But He chose John. And He could have revealed the same exact vision anytime earlier in John's life.  Since this vision started way in OUR past, and ends way in OUR future, the trick is to figure out where we are NOW. I think that is plain: at the 5th seal waiting for the final martyr. Again, the ONLY way we know what is inside the book, is because John saw it in the vision  - to him and to us - a vision of the future.  In short, we know the future because of this vision. 

You and I read this book a little differently. But we do agree on some things. 

You should study the proper words, not what some 2 cent supposed theologian believes, but the proper Ancient Greek and not the Koine Greek which Paul wrote in.   Peter explains God PURIFIED the world in Noah's Day but did not physically destroy the Earth.   Then Peter describes the final Days PURIFICATION by fire.  The actual words Peter uses DOES NOT mean this Earth will literally be destroyed and another PHYSICAL Earth will take its place.   It means, this Earth will be PURGED and PURIFIED with fire.   What does that mean?   Just like in the Days of Noah, Sinfulness ways of the world was purged by water killing all those who were pleased by living in their sins.   And when this Earth is purged with fire, the same concept will take place.

 

The Earth was purified once by water and a second time will be by fire.   Just like Judgement Day when we will either be purified by the fire or those without God will be burned up by the fire.

Edited August 9, 2020 by theElect777

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

The mystery probably includes HOW Satan got to be the god of this world. 

 

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder  IN HEAVEN; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder IN HEAVEN; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

 

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Ezekiel 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

Ezekiel 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

Ezekiel 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

Ezekiel 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Ezekiel 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

Ezekiel 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Ezekiel 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


 

NOW PUT 'EM TOGETHER

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

OUR TURN.


 1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 

SO WHERE IS THE CHURCH?  ASLEEP?   DOES EVERYONE SLEEP AT RAPTURE? 

Again, timing instances seem to confuse you sister, you conflate two different things here, WHY? Because you take Paul's time on earth and even today when those dead in Christ DO INDEED SLEEP and wait on the Trumpet call of Jesus.....WITH......The Second Coming which is AFTER the Rapture thus they ,OFF COURSE, are no longer sleeping because they were Raptured to Heaven along with those of us who were ALIVE until he called us home. So, yes they SLEEP until the Rapture, then they are RAPTURED to Heaven so they no longer sleep, thus they come back with Jesus as we all do, Dead or Alive at the time of the Rapture. 

The Church is both sleeping in the grave and ALIVE on earth right now. When Jesus calls us BOTH HOME at the exact same time, we will then be in Heaven for 7 years (7 days in the Bridal Suite) until Jesus is ready to return to TAKE OVER this earth from Satan and the Beast.

With YOUR TURN you are never able to counter my points. Maybe its sinking in, some people are different in the way they eventual learn.

10 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

THERE IS NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM FOLLOWING ANY ONE OR ANY THING THAT HAPPENS ON THIS EARTH BECAUSE OF THAT BELIEF.  DO YOU GET IT???   YOU CAN WORSHIP THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET AND SATAN AND ALL IT ENTAILS

BECAUSE

THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS EARTH OR COMING TO THIS EARTH THAT WILL EVER BE FORBIDDEN FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THIS THEORY,  IS THERE?????

PRE TRIBS CAN WORSHIP ANY ONE OR ANY THING THAT CLAIMS TO BE OF GOD, CAN'T THEY ,AS THEY ARE SAFE IN THEIR BELIEF THAT THEY WON'T BE HERE, FOR NO DECEPTION COMING THEIR WAY, RIGHT???


 THERE CAN'T BE ANYTHING FORBIDDEN TO WORSHIP OR TAKE THE MARK OF BECAUSE OF THE BELIEF OF BEING GONE BEFORE, RIGHT???? 

 SO SATAN CAN AND WILL CONVINCE THEM THAT ANYTHING IS OK BECAUSE  THEY ARE STILL HERE, SO IT MUST BE OK.    NOT TO EVER WORRY ABOUT   "BEING DECEIVED" / TESTED/ TRIBULATION, BECAUSE THEY  WON'T BE HERE,   

WILL YOU????.

None of the above is legible or makes any sense at all tbh. 

 Very possible, even probable. 

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE I AM CONFUSED, DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUTH

AND

DOESN'T MAKE THE RAPTURE DOCTRINE WORK.  

Again, I point out how you mix up scriptures, and you can't rebut it, so it stands on its own merits sister. 

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

TRIAL/TRIBULATION BEFORE APPEARING OF JESUS CHRIST.  

THIS IS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO JESUS CHRIST APPEARING WITHOUT A TRIAL/TRIBULATION

WHICH IS THE RAP THEORY

Again, you can't rebut what I have said.......Dodging these truths will not change the facts sister. 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, theElect777 said:

You should study the proper words, not what some 2 cent supposed theologian believes, but the proper Ancient Greek and not the Koine Greek which Paul wrote in.   Peter explains God PURIFIED the world in Noah's Day but did not physically destroy the Earth.   Then Peter describes the final Days PURIFICATION by fire.  The actual words Peter uses DOES NOT mean this Earth will literally be destroyed and another PHYSICAL Earth will take its place.   It means, this Earth will be PURGED and PURIFIED with fire.   What does that mean?   Just like in the Days of Noah, Sinfulness ways of the world was purged by water killing all those who were pleased by living in their sins.   And when this Earth is purged with fire, the same concept will take place.

 

The Earth was purified once by water and a second time will be by fire.   Just like Judgement Day when we will either be purified by the fire or those without God will be burned up by the fire.

This earth becomes HELL..........We get a New Heaven and a New Earth !! 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Revelation Man

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder  IN HEAVEN; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder IN HEAVEN; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

 

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Ezekiel 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

Ezekiel 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

Ezekiel 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

Ezekiel 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Ezekiel 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

Ezekiel 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Ezekiel 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

NOW PUT 'EM TOGETHER

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: This is the ONLY part of Rev. 12:1-5  that would in any way related to the other verses you quoted.  The rest of this passage is in reference to the birth of Christ and how the Dragon tried to kill Jesus as a young boy, using King Herod.  But then, you knew this already. 

Hopefully we can both agree that one day WAY into the future, Satan will be finished and cast into the lake of fire. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by iamlamad