The Pre Tribulation Raptured Church

[iamlamad]

18 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

Are you that dense, we leave the earth and meet in the sky, at the second coming, just as the Bible plainly says. 

Are you that sure I am wrong? Paul's "rapture" sequence starts with people UNDER the earth - so EARTH must be included. 
Next, Paul's rapture sequence does not start in heaven. The spirits He may or may not "gather" in heaven before he comes cannot be included in the rapture sequence on earth. 

Therefore, ANY "gathering" that says from heaven, cannot be Paul's rapture. 
Any gathering that gathers from the furthest part of heaven to the furthest part of earth is not talking about Paul's rapture. Do you find it IMPOSSIBLE God could have TWO gatherings? 

[ENOCH2010]

7 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Are you that sure I am wrong? Paul's "rapture" sequence starts with people UNDER the earth - so EARTH must be included. 
Next, Paul's rapture sequence does not start in heaven. The spirits He may or may not "gather" in heaven before he comes cannot be included in the rapture sequence on earth. 

Therefore, ANY "gathering" that says from heaven, cannot be Paul's rapture. 
Any gathering that gathers from the furthest part of heaven to the furthest part of earth is not talking about Paul's rapture. Do you find it IMPOSSIBLE God could have TWO gatherings? 

How many times must I tell you the word "heaven" in that verse means SKY.

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Ah!  NOW it comes out! You WANT to be left behind, be overcome, and lose your head. Well, I believe God gives people what they are believing for. 

Note, TRUE BIBLE faith must be based on the WORD of God. the only word of God you will have to stand on in those days is that YOU WILL BE OVERCOME. There is no other word for the saints in these days.

You twist my words too I see. 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Please don't try and convince others that it is GOD'S WILL you be left behind. It is OK if you WANT to be left behind. 

My will is for Gods truth to be seen , not mans theories.  Rapture THEORY.  Its even CALLS ITSELF a theory.  

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

On the other hand, we can't ignore even ONE WORD of God's word. Not a word, not a phrase, not a verse. If you had studied 2 thes 2 more closely, you would have KNOWN that the "He" referred to the man of sin, NOT Satan. See how just ONE WORD led you astray?
 

Note to readers, when Satan is cast down, at the midpoint of the week, He can ONLY affect people that are still ON the earth. The church will be gone by that time. 

ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS.  

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Scripture, sister; you demand scripture so SHOW us scripture. Meanwhile, read at the 6th seal that the Day of His wrath starts right there, at the 6th seal, in chapter 6. the "hour of temptation" is probably all the way from chapter 13 to chapter 16. Which comes first when counting: 6 or 13?

You are back on "the Lord's day?" What? The Lord will return on a SUNDAY? You amaze me. 

AND THE LORDS DAY, WHEN THE LORD RETURNS,  IS WHEN THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN ARE CHANGED  Show us this is scripture, or it is only MYTH. 

If you would quit using "the Lord's day" when it was only in reference to Sunday (versus other days of the week) it would avoid confusion.)

Case in point: Show us ANYWHERE in Rev. 19 where John wrote "the Lord's day." Or in Matthew 24 where Jesus said His coming would be "on the Lord's day." 

Next, show us a connection between the 1000 years and believers being changed. I think it is myth. It IS myth until or unless it is proven by scripture. I think scripture proves you are over 7 years off from the START of the 1000 years. 

ALREADY DISCUSSED.  ONCE AGAIN GOD SAID, YOU SAY.  DIFFERENT

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You want ME to show scripture, but you just talk. I get that.
Ephesians 3:2  If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

There is a DISPENSATION of GRACE. Why would you even imagine WRATH or JUDGMENT would come during grace?

Did you just NOT NOTICE that in Revelation 14 the "everlasting gospel" says NOTHING of the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. (Paul's Gospel). It says FEAR GOD. Give Glory to Him. 
 

This sounds very OLD Covenant. You see, often God does not come right out and SAY things: He gives HINTS. 

ANYONE reading this entire post will quickly see who uses scripture.  Go count.  Math doesn't lie.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

OF COURSE it is scripture: did you not notice that there was a strong earthquake in Matthew 27 when God raised the elders of the Old Testament? Did you not notice that there was a HUGE earthquake when God raised the two Witnesses?  I have therefore TWO witnesses that there is going to be an earthquake when God raises the dead in Christ. 

There is yet another proof: when we study Paul's TIMING - rapture then wrath - and see that it fits just before the 6th seal (the START of wrath) and then notice there is an earthquake there at the very same time Paul tells us there will be sudden destruction.....can you add one and one and get two?

well at least you have moved from pre trib to pre wrath

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I wrote, Two groups of people get two different results: those in Christ get raptured and escape God's wrath - those in darkness GET His wrath: Paul's sudden destruction earthquake.

All you are tellling us is that you don't understand Paul. 

Do you doubt the catching up? That should be EASY to believe.
Do you doubt God will bring wrath? AGain, that should be easy to believe. 
If we are caught up and wrath is on the earth, why not believe we escape that wrath?
If we are escorted to heaven (John 14) how could we also be in His wrath? 

Did you not follow Paul with the "THEY" and "THEM" and what happens to "them" They get SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. 
 

in other words, BELIEVE IT: it is TRUTH?

was that the entire post?  I must admit I don't read much of them anymore.

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Please don't try and convince others that it is GOD'S WILL you be left behind. It is OK if you WANT to be left behind. 

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 

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