Human nature: Good or Bad?

[Glory To God]

7 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I hate to blame Adam for our sin. I think we should take responsibility for our own actions.

Well we do take the blame for our own actions. We sin have a nature that is opposed to God. Adam caused the circumstances that lead up to what makes our current nature post-fall and now we have a sin nature. Unbelief is a sin and the only way for a spiritual dead person to be saved is by grace. 

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, Glory To God said:

Well we do take the blame for our own actions. We sin have a nature that is opposed to God. Adam caused the circumstances that lead up to what makes our current nature post-fall and now we have a sin nature. Unbelief is a sin and the only way for a spiritual dead person to be saved is by grace. 

We all make decisions throughout our lives. Some of them are bad. Hopefully we learn from those. I don't think it has anything to do with a predisposed nature caused by something Adam did.

[Glory To God]

28 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

We all make decisions throughout our lives. Some of them are bad. Hopefully we learn from those. I don't think it has anything to do with a predisposed nature caused by something Adam did.

 

Well if the sin that separates us from God doesn't come by Adam,what do these mean?

 

Roman5:12

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

1 cor 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

 

[johnthebaptist]

4 hours ago, Glory To God said:

 

Well if the sin that separates us from God doesn't come by Adam,what do these mean?

 

Roman5:12

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

1 cor 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

 

It does us no good to blame our mistakes on Adam or Eve.

[Guest theElect777]

5 hours ago, Glory To God said:

Well we do take the blame for our own actions. We sin have a nature that is opposed to God. Adam caused the circumstances that lead up to what makes our current nature post-fall and now we have a sin nature. Unbelief is a sin and the only way for a spiritual dead person to be saved is by grace. 

Have you ever put yourself in Adam's shoes and believed you would have done differently?   Try it, it will enlighten you a bit.   Then the world could blame their sin on YOU!   You sin for your own will now that you have been saved and know the "Truth," not because of Adam!

Edited July 27, 2020 by theElect777

[Guest theElect777]

In fact, Adam had no idea what death was when God told him he would die by eating of the "Tree."   But you do know what death is and you still sin because you choose to.   Grant it, there are sins that are from reaction and can be out of our control, but we can have God help us overcome such reactions.

[Fidei Defensor]

15 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

It does us no good to blame our mistakes on Adam or Eve.

True, but Original Sin is their fault. We are tainted because of their choice, that taint pulls us towards the flesh choices: 

“10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:10-21)

Thankfully Christ, The Second Adam, The Son of God, and God Incarnate came and has made propitiation for all sin.   

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

True, but Original Sin is their fault. We are tainted because of their choice, that taint pulls us towards the flesh choices: 

“10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:10-21)

Thankfully Christ, The Second Adam, The Son of God, and God Incarnate came and has made propitiation for all sin.   

I don't think we are tainted by what Adam and Eve did. They might have set a bad example, but we didn't have to imitate them.

[ReneeIW]

17 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I don't think we are tainted by what Adam and Eve did. They might have set a bad example, but we didn't have to imitate them.

Paul disagrees with you and wrote a lot about this is Romans. People just don’t want to accept what God’s word says. 

[Fidei Defensor]

19 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I don't think we are tainted by what Adam and Eve did. They might have set a bad example, but we didn't have to imitate them.

We have the taint, it is called death, we all are going to die: 

“for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Gen. 2: 17).

The fruit of sin is death. 

In this way all mankind is suffering from Adam and Eve’s Original Sin. As well as the sinful flesh inside us all. 

It is why Christ our Lord said, “Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:41) 

Granted Jesus has swallowed up death (eternal death) for us: 

“Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone. Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had[g] the power of death. Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying.” (Hebrews 2:9, 14-15, NLT) 

And when He Returns we shall have new bodies and rise from our physical death: 

“If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.” (Romans 8:11, cross ref 1 Corinthians 5) 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Fidei Defensor