Alive Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, choir loft said: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." - Jos 24:15 What version or translation is this taken from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leah777 Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,393 Content Per Day: 0.72 Reputation: 1,156 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) decided not to bother engaging. I still dont know what a 'shaking' is or where in the Bible is come from. Edited August 29, 2020 by leah777 spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.55 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alive said: What version or translation is this taken from? It's the KJV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.55 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Gideon said: When the vast majority of Christians are living out their lives in captivity to their old nature, imprisoned in Romans 7 so deeply that they think anything promised more than that is either embellishment or impossible, they are left living their lives in the wilderness of unbelief, robbed of any hope of ever walking in the land of promise. Paul once lived in Romans 7.... and HATED it. And that is the purpose of the Romans 7 experience, where obedience is fleeting at best, where fellowship with God is always interrupted by sin and self desires. It is to finally bring us to hate OUR life, OUR weakness, OUR pride, and OUR contentment with less than the life God has purchased for us.... total victory over the world, the flesh and the devil. O, that we might awake to the promises of our Father to set us free from our old weak, rebellious natures. Yes, we still have fleshly bodies which have a propensity to sin, but.... BUT..... we do not have fleshly carnal spirits anymore that steer those bodies. We have been given brand new natures, natures that can steer those bodies.... every time. New natures that can bring every thought into subject to Christ, can fellowship with God non-stop all day.... every day. We are told to keep our bodies under because we CAN. Where is it then, if this be the case, that we have erred and gone off track? What is the fly in our sweet smelling ointment that keeps us from enjoying the FREE INDEED God has purchased for us? it is simply this. We do not hate our old life. Yet. All that is about to change. And what happens when our hunger for godliness overrides our contentment without it? What happens when His children cry out to our Heavenly Father to save us from our sins.... not in them? It is at that magic moment that God takes the blinders from our eyes and breathes on our hard, dried, shriveled up faith, melting away the unbelief that has come from years of sin hardening our hearts. How will God bring about this change in our heart's desires? One of the ways is through shakings. The coming shakings are not meant to hurt us, but rather to drive us to our knees, crying out as Paul did to free us from our wretched, contented 'I have need of nothing' Christianity. They are to being us to the place where all that is not of Christ is shaken out of us. Do not fear, dear saints. God has our best in mind, even if at present, we are found content without it. Our tears, our fears, our loneliness are soon to replaced with shouts of joy, as we have our feet planted on the highway of holiness, where we are kept from falling by God Himself. Do not lament your weakness. It is your awareness of that weakness that qualifies you perfectly to walk as an overcomer, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. It is to those who have NO strength that He increases might. Look aware from your weaknesses and the sins from which you cannot escape, and look UP. Cry out for Jesus to do what He promised to do for you.deliver you from evil, just as Paul did in Romans 7. To all who do so, they will find to their amazement and delight that the promises of God are real, and sure and mighty. We, dear brothers and sisters, ARE new creatures.... right now, this very minute. What has hindered us is simply unbelief doubting that God can and will deliver us from our fallen nature. Cast off that doubt, as a filthy rag, and despite what you might see, what you might feel, what your logic tells you is possible, come into agreement with your God! He tells us that we are dead and our life is hid with Christ. Agree with Him! Yield yourself to Him, but not as a wretched sinner unable to overcome. Yield yourself to Him as one who is alive from the dead, as one who an do all things through Christ who strengthens us. To your amazement, Christ WILL solidify the churning waters beneath your feet, as you walk on the waters to Him as an overcomer, not as the overcome. blessings, Gideon Gideon, you keep making the same mistake, over and over and over again. You are confusing tares with born again Christians and lumping them together. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted August 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, David1701 said: It's the KJV. Yes--I see that, now. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, leah777 said: decided not to bother engaging. I still dont know what a 'shaking' is or where in the Bible is come from. Leah, here is where the shakings are promised. "See that ye refuse not Him that speaketh, for if they escaped not who refused Him that spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him that speaketh from Heaven, whose voice then shook the earth. But now He hath promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.” And these words, “yet once more,” signifieth the removing of those things which can be shaken, such as things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain." Hebrews 12:25-27 God has promised to restore His bride to her former glory, so that she is without spot or wrinkle at His appearing. If one is walking in lukewarmness, content to be saved but with no desire to walk totally pleasing to Him, this brings no glory to the Father. Rather, it stands as a stumbling block to those in the world from coming to God. Our lives are the only Bible many of them will ever read. If they do not see the fruits of our walk with Him outwardly expressed, how will they ever be drawn to Him? I believe that the shakings that will awaken us to seek His face for more than simply being forgiven have already started, but are in no way over. Like birth pangs, they will grow in both frequency as well as intensity. God loves us and is determined that we not be caught unprepared for what is on the horizon. The sole purpose of the shakings is to drive us deeper into Him as we flee our old carnal nature and look for Him to deliver us from evil altogether, not just from its penalties. I pray this helps. blessings, Leah Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Can you show scripture that shows that His Bride once had Glory, but now has a lessor Glory? Please be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, David1701 said: Gideon, you keep making the same mistake, over and over and over again. You are confusing tares with born again Christians and lumping them together. Gideon said :When the vast majority of Christians are living out their lives in captivity to their old nature, David,I agree with your statement ,he probably means those people never really been born again in the first place,things change if we accept Jesus as our Savior when we receive the Holy Spirit ,the Holy Spirit is our Helper and guides us in ALL things,we can't do anything on our own. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit …25All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. 27Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid.… Follow Him and not your own thoughts which will be deceiving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, David1701 said: Gideon, you keep making the same mistake, over and over and over again. You are confusing tares with born again Christians and lumping them together. Was the Laodecian church a church of God's children or a church full of tares? David, we are told plainly that in the last days, because sin shall abound, the love of many will wax cold. That word is not "phileo", human love, but "agape", the love only. Christians can experience. One cannot fall away unless they had once "fallen toward". I fear many err in thinking that somehow God sees us through Jesus covered glasses. Do we not realize judgement will begin at the House of God? He sees the true intent of our hearts, does He not? Are we merely after forgiveness and securing our place in Heaven, or is there a deep hunger in us to lose our lives, our wills, and to glorify Him by our doing those things that please Him? Do we not realize that tares do not presently know they are tares? But when they hear the exhortation to 'examine themselves whether they be in the faith', when they read the verse that urges them to make their calling and election sure, they blindly refuse to do so, and thus give satan opportunity to deceive them further. God is awakening us to satan's devices, and wants to equip us in preparation for what is coming. My sole desire is that His children hear the call of the Spirit and seek His face for full deliverance from their old nature, for it is only in that place where we will find true safety. blessings, Gids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, angels4u said: Gideon said :When the vast majority of Christians are living out their lives in captivity to their old nature, David,I agree with your statement ,he probably means those people never really been born again in the first place,things change if we accept Jesus as our Savior when we receive the Holy Spirit ,the Holy Spirit is our Helper and guides us in ALL things,we can't do anything on our own. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit …25All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. 27Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid.… Follow Him and not your own thoughts which will be deceiving. And how do we KNOW that we know Him, scripturally? As I said, the tares do not presently know they are tares. They are deceived. Thus, we have been safeguards against being deceived, an acid test to insure we know we are on solid, unshakeable ground. What is this test? "And hereby we know that we know Him: if we keep His commandments. He that saith, “I know Him,” and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3-4 Many in the elect, if they were to truly apply this to their lives, would recoil from the results, and Satan will tempt them to run back to the assurances of other men, of their pastors, of what they have been taught. But what seems like an impossible test to pass is not impossible at all. God has promised to make a way when there is no way. That is why He is now awakening us to he HOW of walking in righteousness and holiness. Those who will let God's declaration that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord, bear its full weight upon their hearts, will come to the point of brokenness as their hunger for more of Him, of doing what pleases Him exceeds their desire for self to remain in control. Those who will not will be crushed under the weight of that truth. Let us understand it is this brokenness that allows us to ONLY believe. A crisis point must be reached in the life of every child of God. The shakings will bring this about if our own wills will not. God loves us far to much to allow us to walk into the approaching storm unprepared. Many will withstand this truth initially, but God will make sure that all of His sheep hear His voice. Huge changes are coning. As the scriptures exhort us.... "Let all who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity." The key question, unanswered or ignored so far by our modern take on the gospel, is HOW? How does a man, still living in a sinful body with sinful desires, walk as a true overcomer? There is an answer, an amazing one, but only he hungry will be given eyes to see it. blessings, Gids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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