Chrislam

[Mike Mclees]

 

You forgot to stir in a the pope  ready to poison children of the world. Its I'm OK your okay. Anything goes in the new wild wild west. Anything goes goes beyond your favorite Christless religion. It strips the whole moral fabric. Nothing is sin anymore. No more absolutes. Life is whatever you want it to be. Just today I saw an add with two colored men kissing. If you want to live by the Bible that's fine but your kids  are mine. Scripture has warned and now its true. If you want to stay with Jesus.  Well need I say it.

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by Mike Mclees

[leah777]

42 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

I could also say that you are reading your thinking into the article...

What on earth do you expect secular schools to teach? They can't privilege one religion over another, nor can we ask them to do our evangelism for us. It's up to us to teach our children what we believe - that Jesus is the only way - but when in school they need to learn what people of other religions believe in a hopefully neutral environment.  

This cuts both ways (and Tony Blair referred to other countries, not just the UK). What about religious education in Muslim and Hindu countries - often far more disparaging and de-legitimising to Christianity than we are to Islam and Hinduism? Religious freedom must apply to all religions equally, otherwise it isn't freedom.

Religious tolerance means allowing others to believe and practise their faith without persecuting them. It means allowing people to convert from one faith to another without fear of the consequences. It doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything they believe or that we don't try to evangelise them. In fact, an atmosphere of openness and tolerance should make it easier to talk about Jesus and what we believe.

to add to this: Tony Blair has converted to Catholicism. In the UK (his home country) many Catholics are viewed in the same way as Muslims. Tony Blair is including his religion in the plea for religious tolerance.

The 72 sent out by Jesus were instructed to be tolerant of religions. They were not told to harangue people or rage at them, or even oppose their beliefs. They were told to preach and then quietly leave if they were not well received.

Maybe is different in Europe (not talking about EU but whole of Europe) as so many cultures live cheek by jowl and need to find ways of being peaceful together, with respect. Respect for other beliefs is not agreement, its leaving them alone like the 72 sent out by Jesus did.

Luke 10:1-8

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

I could also say that you are reading your thinking into the article...

What on earth do you expect secular schools to teach? They can't privilege one religion over another, nor can we ask them to do our evangelism for us. It's up to us to teach our children what we believe - that Jesus is the only way - but when in school they need to learn what people of other religions believe in a hopefully neutral environment.  

This cuts both ways (and Tony Blair referred to other countries, not just the UK). What about religious education in Muslim and Hindu countries - often far more disparaging and de-legitimising to Christianity than we are to Islam and Hinduism? Religious freedom must apply to all religions equally, otherwise it isn't freedom.

Religious tolerance means allowing others to believe and practise their faith without persecuting them. It means allowing people to convert from one faith to another without fear of the consequences. It doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything they believe or that we don't try to evangelise them. In fact, an atmosphere of openness and tolerance should make it easier to talk about Jesus and what we believe.

Perhaps you didn't read the article, or the extracts I quoted.  The agenda is being hidden behind words like "tolerance", "bigotry" and "extremism" - buzzwords that people latch onto; but, there is an undercurrent, if you look at some of the other phrases used (and that I quoted).

"Secondly, the research of my Institute has found religious intolerance starts with the education systems of many countries, formal and informal, where either the practices or teaching, even the curriculum, promote a closed and bigoted view of the world in which other faiths are de-legitimised or disparaged."

By preaching the gospel, Christians AUTOMATICALLY declare that other "faiths" are illegitimate.  This will, of course, be seen as disparaging and bigoted, by those indoctrinated by the new teaching programme.

"And the programme of my Institute – Generation Global – which links up children and students of different faiths and now operates in 30 countries shows clearly that early education works to promote tolerance.

But such thinking should be a part of any modern education curriculum. This is not teaching young people to be religious; but to be culturally aware.

I believe there would be widespread support for such a Commitment. Even those countries with obvious problems in their education system, would welcome it as a means of forcing the more resistant elements within to accept change."

What does he mean by "tolerance"?  Does he mean what the word really means: putting up with something you don't like or don't agree with?  Or does he mean the way the word is often misused  nowadays: accepting an opposing view as also being valid?

Then look at the last part of the quote, "... as a means of FORCING the more resistant elements to accept change.".  How would it do this?  By creating a herd mentality, in which exclusiveness (e.g. Jesus Christ is the only Saviour) is viewed as bigoted and disparaging (it's already happening, if you hadn't noticed).

"So, my plea today is very straightforward: it is to give the fight for religious freedom its proper priority. Not peripheral but central; not a fight left to NGOs but taken up by Governments; and not Governments left to campaign on their own but joined together in one effective global movement."

This is a less than subtle hint at one world government.

Edited August 3, 2020 by David1701

[David1701]

3 hours ago, leah777 said:

to add to this: Tony Blair has converted to Catholicism. In the UK (his home country) many Catholics are viewed in the same way as Muslims. Tony Blair is including his religion in the plea for religious tolerance.

The 72 sent out by Jesus were instructed to be tolerant of religions. They were not told to harangue people or rage at them, or even oppose their beliefs. They were told to preach and then quietly leave if they were not well received.

Maybe is different in Europe (not talking about EU but whole of Europe) as so many cultures live cheek by jowl and need to find ways of being peaceful together, with respect. Respect for other beliefs is not agreement, its leaving them alone like the 72 sent out by Jesus did.

Luke 10:1-8

By preaching the gospel, you automatically oppose the beliefs of people who are in false religion, even if your manner is sweetness and light.  The 70 Jesus sent out certainly did preach the gospel and the angry reactions of those with opposing beliefs (Pharisees, Sadducees and idolaters), showed that what they preached definitely opposed their beliefs.

[leah777]

Maybe the UK and general European meaning of the word "tolerance", as used by Tony Blair, is different from the US meaning, hence confusion by some is happening.

[David1701]

27 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Maybe the UK and general European meaning of the word "tolerance", as used by Tony Blair, is different from the US meaning, hence confusion by some is happening.

I'm British. 

The main meaning of "tolerate", in Britain, is "to endure or to allow by not preventing", it carries the nuance of putting up with something that you don't like or of which you don't approve.  This was almost always how it was used, when I was growing up, in Scotland; however, nowadays, it is often used, loosely, to mean accepting some different view as also being valid.

TB was trained as a lawyer, although, as far as I know, he has not practised law, and he is very good at wording things in such a way that it's possible for opposing parties all to agree with what he says.  You have to read/listen to anything he says VERY carefully.

His nickname, in Britain, is "phoney Tony".

[leah777]

1 minute ago, David1701 said:

"to endure or to allow by not preventing"

that is also my understanding of the meaning. He is not promoting or validating the other religions, but is allowing other religions the same legal rights to practice.

I see a difference between having thoughts and views about my religion, and giving those of another religion the same legal protection to practice their religion. And both are valid and Ok to have and do. I see no difficulty doing both.

For example: I will be a practicing Christian. I believe other religions are wrong. I also uphold my Muslim neighbours right to have a Mosque and practice his religion. If asked my him, I will teach the Gospel, otherwise I live and let live. I do not think Mosques should be shut down or cease to exist, and that Muslims are bad evil people. Jesus died for all. Free will is a good thing and from God.

[David1701]

3 minutes ago, leah777 said:

that is also my understanding of the meaning. He is not promoting or validating the other religions, but is allowing other religions the same legal rights to practice.

I see a difference between having thoughts and views about my religion, and giving those of another religion the same legal protection to practice their religion. And both are valid and Ok to have and do. I see no difficulty doing both.

For example: I will be a practicing Christian. I believe other religions are wrong. I also uphold my Muslim neighbours right to have a Mosque and practice his religion. If asked my him, I will teach the Gospel, otherwise I live and let live. I do not think Mosques should be shut down or cease to exist, and that Muslims are bad evil people. Jesus died for all. Free will is a good thing and from God.

I remember when Edinburgh had no mosques (in the 1980s).  Then some Mohammedans started to build one.  I, and many other Evangelicals in Edinburgh, prayed earnestly for the work to be halted.  They suffered one setback after another (lack of money, then heavy rain, etc.) and the project was put back for a considerable time, although it was finally completed, years late.  I can't prove it; but I believe that if the Christians in Edinburgh had kept on interceding, then there would not be a mosque there to this day.

We don't use force or violence; but we are in a spiritual war and we need to fight it with spiritual weapons.  Islam is a satanic religion.  We should witness to them, pray for the gospel to go out to them in Holy Spirit power, and pray against their malign influence, in equal measure.

[Mike Mclees]

i like the way you put your last paragraph  I was thinking just  moment before.

I am not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the word of God unto salvation to all who believe

Our love for Christ and our brothers must not be some confused interpretation of tolerance, but it must be by our  unshakable love grounded in the Gospel. Christ was nailed to cross for our salvation

Jesus said to the disciples "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples by your love for one another. 

I am the way the truth and the life an no man comes to the the Father but by me.. Others of other religious faith will always despise that truth. We cannot stop the gobble march. It is coming and so is Jesus Christ on His white stallion. 

hear is the cry of the overcomes.

And they overcame him(satan) by the blood of the lamb an d the word of their testimony (the gospel) and loved not their own life to the death. 

  

 

[LadyKay]

There are all kinds of stuff out there. We do not have to be a part of it. I know who it is I follow.