JERUSALEM IS FALLING

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21 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I disagree with most of what you wrote here. I think Revelation disagrees also.

For example, WHERE is the Beast when He is captured? In Rome? Not a chance! It is in Israel!

Prove that the beast is "taken" in Israel.

Rev 19:20, Only shows that the beast is taken, not where the beast is, when he is taken.

Edited March 13, 2021 by abcdef

[abcdef]

21 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You and I must be reading a different book! I disagree with almost every point. 

I am not surprised. 

Since what I am saying is kind of different, I tend to disagree with everyone.

But that really doesn't matter.

What matters is whether or not it is a true understanding.

And for me, it is beyond my abilities to make someone believe what I am saying, I can only explain it so that they understand it. 

The "believe" part, is the work of the Spirit.

But as it comes true in front of you, maybe then you will understand, why and how it all fits together as prophecy.

[Justin Adams]

23 hours ago, Biblican said:

Sorry, we will have to agree to disagree. The preterist interpretation is not supported by scripture, or current events.

He is no more a preterist than I am a girl.

The anti-my-ideas is very strong. Revelation is a book in question as well. I tend to think Daniel is more relevant and most of that is past. A done deal. So I do not worry overmuch since my ten cents worth will not change the realities anyway.

Side note: allegory, and symbol is just as real as anything else. How can we mortals understand the visions of another person anyway? 
We are told to wait and not set dates.
Already there has been enough date changing and perversion to scripture and when it comes the Augustine and the RCC, well that takes the cake for making changes. They get the first prize for the most scrambling of the scriptures that I have witnessed. And the 'reformers' get second prize!

 

[Eternally Gratefull]

How can this be true?

when did the tribulation start?

When did the 70th week start

When did the abomination of desolation occur?

How can jersualem. Which we are told in daniel will lie desolate until the end of the 70th week, be more destroyed? It lies desolate today, The dome of the rock, and the city is still in sin

finally, How can it be destroyed marking the end, when we are told after the 70th week. God will restor Isreal and he will personally rule in jerusalem for a thousand years?

[Justin Adams]

Revelation is questionable to say the least. The AD70 events have made Jerusalem desolate. Daniel is over and done with and what we have left is a great Battle at "Har-magedon" (not Megiddo) but the Mount of the Lord. Zion. The City of the Great king. Revelation is but a visionary's apocalypse and the so called millennium is happening now. Are there not enough killings and wars? Kids being beheaded even as we speak and horrific events worldwide. Is that not enough 'tribulation'?

Tribulation for Israel began in 70AD and then the Nazi pogroms. Daniel is for Israel.

No pre-trib rapture, no alleviation from the pain and suffering so that 'the few' can be 'taken away' while the MANY are destroyed.

Think again.

[Biblican]

On 3/13/2021 at 11:31 AM, abcdef said:

I'm not a preterist, that should be obvious after all this time.

Is every prophecy in the Bible future? Nothing is past?

When the symbols are taken as literal, it distorts the meaning.

What are the "living waters" that flow from Jerusalem? Zech 14:8

Are they literally water? Literal water, that is alive in some way?

Well you may say, that they are symbolic.

But then, what else in the passage is symbolic?

The seas that the waters flow to?

If the seas that the waters flow to are literal, then the living waters must be actual water that is alive.

But that is where the literalist viewpoint falls apart.  

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The problem is, that the symbolism is not even considered.

It is automatically rejected before it is even considered.

"Oh, that could be preterism, so don't even examine it to see if it might be true."

The reason that it is not considered, is that sometimes people find out that they have been, taught incorrectly.

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The living waters that flow out from Jerusalem in Zechariah represent the Holy Spirit that the Lord sends to restore the oceans that have literally been depleted of oxygen for the sea will have become as a "dead man" without oxygen Rev. 16:3.  We see here that the Bible predicts the oxygenless dead zones we have today in the oceans long before people knew they existed. That is symbolism with a literal explanation. The elimination of fish is a sign of God's judgment Hosea 4:3, which is further evidence of the dead zone prophecy, fish can't live in water that is devoid of oxygen. Today we are seeing massive amounts of dead fish being washed up all over the world and the scientists can't explain the cause. Most likely it is that the fish have encountered one of those ever expanding dead zones.

[iamlamad]

On 3/13/2021 at 10:51 AM, abcdef said:

I am not surprised. 

Since what I am saying is kind of different, I tend to disagree with everyone.

But that really doesn't matter.

What matters is whether or not it is a true understanding.

And for me, it is beyond my abilities to make someone believe what I am saying, I can only explain it so that they understand it. 

The "believe" part, is the work of the Spirit.

But as it comes true in front of you, maybe then you will understand, why and how it all fits together as prophecy.

I used to think all this was so important, but I am beginning to think that we are all (or should be) brothers and sisters in Christ, and it does not matter on our differences: what matters is we all love Jesus and are commanded to love one another. 

I believe those left behind will see the 70th week start and finish, (if they survive) and they will then understand.

Edited March 21, 2021 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

On 3/17/2021 at 11:01 AM, Eternally Gratefull said:

How can this be true?

when did the tribulation start?

When did the 70th week start

When did the abomination of desolation occur?

How can jersualem. Which we are told in daniel will lie desolate until the end of the 70th week, be more destroyed? It lies desolate today, The dome of the rock, and the city is still in sin

finally, How can it be destroyed marking the end, when we are told after the 70th week. God will restor Isreal and he will personally rule in jerusalem for a thousand years?

As you are noticing, trying to make most or Revelation "history" creates more problems that it solves!

[iamlamad]

On 3/13/2021 at 11:15 AM, Justin Adams said:

He is no more a preterist than I am a girl.

The anti-my-ideas is very strong. Revelation is a book in question as well. I tend to think Daniel is more relevant and most of that is past. A done deal. So I do not worry overmuch since my ten cents worth will not change the realities anyway.

Side note: allegory, and symbol is just as real as anything else. How can we mortals understand the visions of another person anyway? 
We are told to wait and not set dates.
Already there has been enough date changing and perversion to scripture and when it comes the Augustine and the RCC, well that takes the cake for making changes. They get the first prize for the most scrambling of the scriptures that I have witnessed. And the 'reformers' get second prize!

 

Revelation is a book in question as well. Readers keep in mind, the same man that wrote John 3 wrote Revelation!

[iamlamad]

On 3/13/2021 at 10:38 AM, abcdef said:

Prove that the beast is "taken" in Israel.

Rev 19:20, Only shows that the beast is taken, not where the beast is, when he is taken.

This is something everyone should know! Where will Jesus return and touch down at? He, the Beast, is coming as if he is the long awaited messiah - so of course he will come to the same city. 

Dan. 11:⁴⁵ And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.