Tongues?

[Alive]

Every member of His Body is unique and much that each member experiences in their walk and relationship with their Lord is different. The Lord meets us where we are--in a manner of speaking. Over time--some early on and others--measured by years--and some I venture to say, never: learn when there is an anointing on a word spoken or otherwise communicated. If you have ever experienced that anointing and how that 'feels', for lack of a better word---well--it is quite wonderful. Kind of electric.

Anyway, praying or praising in tongues is like that. Its palpable.

And BTW--we are not turned into robots. The flow can be stopped. Its like a outflowing of Life that leaves in its wake a joy and often wonder. It is edifying.

If you haven't experienced a 'sense' of the presence and work of the Lord in a meeting of saints, if you haven't experienced that anointing, then it is impossible to communicate this stuff adequately.

The same is true when faced with evil, malign or just 'wrong'.

Perhaps there is a parallel in something written for us. We see here that 'sense' is a valid tool and not to be discarded easily.

Heb. 5:14 (NAS95S) But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

G145   αἰσθητήριον   aisthētērion   1x  

an organ of perception; internal sense,

1Cor. 14:32 (NAS95S) and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;

[David1701]

25 minutes ago, Alive said:

Every member of His Body is unique and much that each member experiences in their walk and relationship with their Lord is different. The Lord meets us where we are--in a manner of speaking. Over time--some early on and others--measured by years--and some I venture to say, never: learn when there is an anointing on a word spoken or otherwise communicated. If you have ever experienced that anointing and how that 'feels', for lack of a better word---well--it is quite wonderful. Kind of electric.

Anyway, praying or praising in tongues is like that. Its palpable.

And BTW--we are not turned into robots. The flow can be stopped. Its like a outflowing of Life that leaves in its wake a joy and often wonder. It is edifying.

If you haven't experienced a 'sense' of the presence and work of the Lord in a meeting of saints, if you haven't experienced that anointing, then it is impossible to communicate this stuff adequately.

The same is true when faced with evil, malign or just 'wrong'.

Perhaps there is a parallel in something written for us. We see here that 'sense' is a valid tool and not to be discarded easily.

Heb. 5:14 (NAS95S) But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

G145   αἰσθητήριον   aisthētērion   1x  

an organ of perception; internal sense,

1Cor. 14:32 (NAS95S) and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;

I agree completely!

Regarding stopping the flow:  I remember once, in a small prayer meeting, feeling led to pray out loud, in tongues.  I didn't want to, because I was self-conscious, and because I knew that there ought to be an interpretation.  I prayed, silently, for an interpretation, then started to speak out loud, in tongues.  After about 20 seconds, I became self-conscious again and stopped, in mid flow.  I began praying silently, again, for an interpretation to come and one of the others said that he had the interpretation.  What he said was exactly what I had been sensing intuitively (specific praise and worship to God).  He stopped in mid-sentence, looking surprised, but I knew why...

[Waggles]

1Corinthians 14:2  

For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

Works for me.

Half an hour of praying in the Spirit every morning to start off the day. Like recharging my batteries.

John 4:23  But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 
24  God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

[enoob57]

9 hours ago, David1701 said:

Regarding speaking in tongues: it bypasses the mind, which can be very useful; and I can attest that it does lead to spiritual refreshing.  It also often leads to closer fellowship with the Lord and to Holy Spirit led prayers and praise, in your own language.

It also then bypasses the Scripture and that is my point of contention with it... 

[Waggles]

13 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It also then bypasses the Scripture and that is my point of contention with it... 

More twaddle and nonsense.

[David1701]

55 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It also then bypasses the Scripture and that is my point of contention with it... 

It is Scripture that teaches about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.  To teach that they are not part of the experience of God's people, is to bypass the Scripture.  They are part of the Great Commission.

Mark 16:14-20 (WEB)

 14  Afterward he was revealed to the eleven themselves as they sat at the table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they didn’t believe those who had seen him after he had risen.
  15 He said to them, “Go into all the world, and preach the Good News to the whole creation. 
  16  He who believes and is baptised will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned. 
  17  These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new languages; 
  18  they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will in no way hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” 

  19  So then the Lord, after he had spoken to them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
  20 They went out, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen. 

 

The Lord also said that they were to be part of the normal life of a believer.

John 14:12 (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who believes in me, the works that I do, he will do also; and he will do greater works than these, because I am going to my Father. 

Paul speaks of them being part of the normal life of an assembly.

Rom. 12:3-8 (WEB)

3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.
  4 For even as we have many members in one body, and all the members don’t have the same function,
  5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
  6 Having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, if prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith;
  7 or service, let us give ourselves to service; or he who teaches, to his teaching;
  8 or he who exhorts, to his exhorting: he who gives, let him do it with liberality; he who rules, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness. 

1 Cor. 12:4-11 (WEB)

 4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 

  5  There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.
  6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.
  7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all.
  8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
  9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;
  10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.
  11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires. 

[enoob57]

no one seems to understand what I am saying is clearly self evident fact... if tongues is not understood verbally then it bypasses the Written Word of God to determine what spirit it is from... it is a no brainer and cannot be denied. 

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

no one seems to understand what I am saying is clearly self evident fact... if tongues is not understood verbally then it bypasses the Written Word of God to determine what spirit it is from... it is a no brainer and cannot be denied. 

No one gets it because you are writing rubbish.

Praying in tongues is spiritual and not of the carnal mind. 

Miracles are spiritual (or supernatural) and not of the flesh. 

Romans 8:5  For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 
6  For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 
7  For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 
8  Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 

1Corin 13:1  If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

1Corin 14:2  For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

works for me. Thus scripture upholds praying in tongues as spiritual and of God. 

1Corin 14:39  So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Waggles

[enoob57]

13 minutes ago, Waggles said:

No one gets it because you are writing rubbish.

Praying in tongues is spiritual and not of the carnal mind. 

Miracles are spiritual (or supernatural) and not of the flesh. 

Romans 8:5  For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 
6  For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 
7  For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 
8  Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 

1Corin 13:1  If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

1Corin 14:2  For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

works for me. Thus scripture upholds praying in tongues as spiritual and of God. 

1Corin 14:39  So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

not only do you not get it... your not even able to frame what is being said to address the issue... if the non-verbal then Scripture cannot be put into play and Scripture is all that can be trusted to be of the truth because God says so...

[Paul James]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

not only do you not get it... your not even able to frame what is being said to address the issue... if the non-verbal then Scripture cannot be put into play and Scripture is all that can be trusted to be of the truth because God says so...

The Holy Spirit has said clearly that when a person speaks in tongues they are speaking to God, mysteries in the Spirit, and are giving their thanks to Him well.  also   Also He clearly instructs that the speaking of tongues should not be forbidden, and the Holy Spirit's preference is that everyone speak in tongues.   He also says that various types of tongues are a definite part of the nine gifts of the Spirit designed to strengthen and build up the body of Christ.  He also says that these things are written for all Christian believers everywhere, who are called to be holy people in Christ.   

Because I am called to be a holy believer called by Christ, then the Holy Spirit's instructions concerning tongues is definitely for me, and to say anything different would make me disobedient to the Holy Spirit, and inferring that He is not telling the truth about these things.

I am not saying these things.  The Holy Spirit is.