What are these spirit things that are inside of us?

[Marathoner]

On 8/26/2020 at 2:09 AM, Peterlag said:

But first who are you? What religion do you come from whereby you write so well?

I'm of the faith delivered by the Lord and His apostles like you are.  

[Bob Carabbio]

On 8/20/2020 at 2:40 AM, Peterlag said:

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It's not the body, but the spirit that has become a new creature. In other words, it's in the spirit that we have become a brand-new species of being because our spirit is totally new and therefore there is not an old sin nature left in us.[/quote]

Then, as a Born AGain Christian, why do YOU still sin???

 

 

[Peterlag]

2 hours ago, Bob Carabbio said:

 

What did John mean when we penned...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, Wesley L said:

Hi @Peterlag,

You said you were new here. Welcome!
Hope you don't feel being attacked by my words. Hope you can see that I am trying to discern the word of God, which is for the good.
I find it complex to communicate clearly, because sometimes one term can mean different things for each believer.

Maybe I can try telling you this story:
I have identified myself as a born again christian for a few years now. I experience the Holy Spirit guiding in my life. 
A few months ago, I played soccer with friends. At one moment an opponent kicked the ball towards the goal, but the ball went outside. But actually I touched the ball slightly, without anyone noticing it. I noticed it. But in the rush of the game, I just played on without giving the ball back to the opponents. (I was lying).

My questions would be:

• How would you view such a situation?
• Do I have the Holy Spirit in me?
• Am I saved?
• How could I lie?

The story continues, but I first want to ask you these questions before I finish the story.

What do you think John meant when he penned...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

[Bob Carabbio]

9 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

What did John mean when we penned...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

The Holy Spirit IN YOU can't sin, but YOU CAN (and will) OVERRIDE His leading, since you have FREE WILL.  The Old man (although Crucified with Christ on the Cross) is still present in you).  It's YOUR responsibility to "crucify the Flesh", and you're given tools to accomplish that.  But YOU WON'T do it consistently.  If a Christian can't SIN, then why do YOU sin???

 

[Wesley L]

51 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

What do you think John meant when he penned...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

Unfortunately you turned my answers down and question me. I will follow your lead.
1 John 3:6-10
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

You are making a good point with these verses. Does God truly mean that a born again believer will never sin?
Let's say if that is true.

• Hebrews 12:6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He scourges every son whom He receives.”
• Deuteronomy 8:5 Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son.
• Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
• Hebrews 12:11 All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

Why would God still need to discpline, reprove believers?

Back to my story.
During that soccer match. Same thing happened to the opponent. But this time he (non christian) was honest and gave us ball posession. At that moment I saw with 100% clarity the truth. Even the smallest lie is not acceptable. And this non christian was even more righteous in his behaviour than me. Next to lying, I was also a hypocrite. The conviction came to me with 100% clarity. What happened next was that I got into an accident. And my ribs were bruised seriously. They had to take me to the hospital. I needed 2 weeks to recover from that injury. We speak/lie with the air in our lungs, using the muscles around the ribcage.

My questions would be:

• How would you view such a situation?
• Do I have the Holy Spirit in me?
• Am I saved?
• How could I lie?

[Sharky and George]

We have spirit, soul and body.

I see it as a hierarchy i.e. the Holy Spirit and our spirit effect our soul and our soul effects our body. Soul to body maybe has some explanation in the science of placebo. Soul is aka mind.

Thats why doing something spiritually (e.g. praising God) is more effect than going for a run.

Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness; for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance.
1 Timothy 4:7‭-‬9 ESV
http://bible.com/59/1ti.4.7-9.ESV

Maybe apply this understanding by prioritizing the right level of the hierarchy and be blessed.

Shalom ????❤

[leah777]

so - what does 1 John 3 mean? I am struggling with this.

[Peterlag]

12 hours ago, Wesley L said:

Unfortunately you turned my answers down and question me. I will follow your lead.
1 John 3:6-10
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

You are making a good point with these verses. Does God truly mean that a born again believer will never sin?
Let's say if that is true.

• Hebrews 12:6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He scourges every son whom He receives.”
• Deuteronomy 8:5 Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son.
• Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
• Hebrews 12:11 All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

Why would God still need to discpline, reprove believers?

Back to my story.
During that soccer match. Same thing happened to the opponent. But this time he (non christian) was honest and gave us ball posession. At that moment I saw with 100% clarity the truth. Even the smallest lie is not acceptable. And this non christian was even more righteous in his behaviour than me. Next to lying, I was also a hypocrite. The conviction came to me with 100% clarity. What happened next was that I got into an accident. And my ribs were bruised seriously. They had to take me to the hospital. I needed 2 weeks to recover from that injury. We speak/lie with the air in our lungs, using the muscles around the ribcage.

My questions would be:

• How would you view such a situation?
• Do I have the Holy Spirit in me?
• Am I saved?
• How could I lie?

I only answer one question at a time. I will answer all of them but one at a time. Because I have learned when someone asks me many questions then it gets confusing as to which answer I'm giving. Then folks say I'm not answering their question. So one at a time. In the mean time...

You look for a way to please your flesh... to clean it up is what it looks like you're saying.

Romans 3:20
... : for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

[Peterlag]

13 hours ago, Bob Carabbio said:

 

Romans 6:2
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?